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re: Anyone doing Keto?

Posted on 2/27/16 at 3:24 pm to
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/27/16 at 3:24 pm to
Taubes is correct (for those who wish to read his very well researched / referenced books "Why we get fat" and "Good calories/bad calories")

His partner, Dr Peter Attia (he is an MD), is also a great resource. Below is his blog. Check out his rant on calories in/out and cholesterol

LINK


Interesting discussion regarding applications and why/how special forces utilize ketogenic diets


Leading PhD researcher on Keto Adapted atheletes/operators


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“The FDA may see ketones as a drug. I see them as a fourth macronutrient. You have fats, proteins, and carbs. Ketones are an energy-containing molecule.” – Dom D’Agostino

Dr. Dominic “Dom” D’Agostino (@DominicDAgosti2) is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Molecular Pharmacology and Physiology at the University of South Florida Morsani College of Medicine, and a Senior Research Scientist at the Institute for Human and Machine Cognition (IHMC).
This post was edited on 2/27/16 at 5:43 pm
Posted by samson73103
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Posted on 2/27/16 at 3:58 pm to
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Human beings have been around for approx 200,000 years and are documented to have eaten rice for less than 20% of that. I dont know how long we've been farming it and distributing it to the American consumer but it's got to be less than 100 years.


Total bullshite. Rice was grown in the colonies in the 1600's and has been consumed in Asia for centuries. Japan and China eats it morning, noon, and night and as a whole, are more fit than Americans. The issue with the Western diet of today is super size everything and processed foods containing astronomical amounts of refined sugar.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/27/16 at 5:55 pm to




LINK

While not strict keto recs, above is the trend that is starting to filter through into general recommendations by medical institutions

Change is slow. Old habits die hard (especially in stubborn physicians...)



If you are in BR, here is a reputable contact who created the recs above


LINK

Terri Johnson | Dietitian & Nutritionist


Posted by Venelar
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Posted on 2/27/16 at 6:34 pm to
Attia and D'Agostino have some fantastic info on podcasts. Tim Ferris' podcast with D'Agostino was awesome.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/27/16 at 7:05 pm to
Agreed. "Deep in the weeds" at times, but overall great listens
Posted by Overbrook
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Posted on 2/27/16 at 7:09 pm to
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75-80% of my intake are vegetables.

That seems impossible too me, unless it's beans and potatoes.
What kind of vegetables can you fill up on?
Posted by Venelar
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Posted on 2/27/16 at 8:18 pm to
If you like them you should check out Found My Fitness by Rhonda Patrick. She's had some really good guests
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 2/27/16 at 8:47 pm to
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My trainer looks like a middle linebacker with 6% body fat and he said he gets between 400-500 carbs per day



Increased testosterone might help with this just saying. Your trainer have bachne and mood swings?
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/27/16 at 8:50 pm to
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If you like them you should check out Found My Fitness by Rhonda Patrick. She's had some really good guests


All over it. I have listened to over 80% of hers. I enjoy the hot/cold exposure data. I am fascinated with the early data (National Academy of Science article) on Wim Hoff (but boy is he zany to listen to)

I also like Bulletproof radio if you can get over the salesmanship and woo-woo shite that shows up intermittently
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Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/27/16 at 10:39 pm to
Then lift in the morning, drink some bcaas post workout. Break fast when it's convenient for you. Just keep the 8 hour or less eating window.

Stick with 531. Stop the running. Walk and them do a tabata on workout days. Running is not that great for weightloss and if you think it sucks or its painful then don't do it.

For diet use the IF calculator and use -10% on workout days and -30% on non workout days. Carbs on workout days should come in the first meal since you workout in the morning or if you eat in the morning they should come right after the workout, atleast as many as you can handle. The non workout days should be carb free, higher fat. Protein stays really high no matter what.

Monitor and adjust by 250 cals. Shoot for 2lbs weight loss a week. Don't over do the cardio and go walking if you wanna do something.

I haven't had a chance to plug it into the spreadsheet, but will when i get to work Monday but the if calc will give you a good idea on macros.
Posted by Jimmy2shoes
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Posted on 2/28/16 at 2:02 am to
your pee stinks!
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
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Posted on 2/28/16 at 8:00 pm to
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Then lift in the morning


Should I eat first or workout fasted? I currently am taking a pre-workout and usually will eat a piece of toast or banana.

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drink some bcaas post workout


I'm currently taking Humapro post workout, should I switch to something else?

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Stop the running.


I haven't been running due to feet pain. I need to get some cardio in just for overall health.

Thanks for the advice/help.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/28/16 at 8:52 pm to
Workout then have some the humapro, then dont eat until 16 hours since your last meal.

So lets say you want to eat dinner with the family your day would look like this.

Worout then humapro

Noon break fast, not necessarily the largest meal protein wise meal, but most carbs should be consumed here, like 80%+ of your daily allowance (carbs only on lifting days as much as possible)

Afternoon(before 8pm) eat with family. Try to stick to meat and veggies. If you would like to help hold you over try and make this the largest meal protein and fat wise and calorie wise. A large meal like this takes the body forever to process.

And you are more than welcome to shorten the eating window and more than welcome to add another meal in the eating window. Thats up to you. Hell add two for all i care but i prefer bigger meals.

Essentially you are skipping breakfast and not snacking and focusing on lunch and dinner and calling it quits. You are focusong on overall macros. Keep protein really high(around 3g per kg of lean body mass), carbs on days you lift(calculator will tell you amount) with smaller amounts of fat. On non lifting days, protein stays the same, carbs drop in place of veggies and extra fats.

You are eating at a -10% deficit on lifting days and -30% on non lifting days. Focus should be on getting stronger on lifting days with no more than 10 min of high intensity interval training after the lifting session. Regular cardio if wanted can go on non lifting days but dont over do it. Try to move/walk as much as possible during the fast.

Overall dont sweat the small stuff. Overall calories are what matter, the rest just helps a little. Intermittent fasting just helps because the large meals dont feel like you are dieting.



For cardio do something like rowing or swimming if you want cardio for overall health. Aridyne bike, jump rope and the heavy bag are great too. If you dont enjoy running then dont. Its not like its that good at burning fat. Fasted walking is much better.


I will post screen shots of martins calculator and some sample meal plans tomorrow or Tuesday when i have time.
Posted by Paul Allen
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Posted on 2/28/16 at 9:28 pm to
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not like its that good at burning fat. Fasted walking is much better.


Link?
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/29/16 at 1:31 am to
Haha wait you want me to give you a link that our body adapts to jogging quickly and becomes very effecient at it? A link to skew that HiiT has a much greater Epoc(post exercise calorie burn) than jogging? Or a link saying that jogging tends to cause the body to use muscle as fuel more frequently than other forms of exercise?

Do you want one showing how hard slow jogging is on the body? Or one comparing calories burned in a certain time frame?

Go fricking google any of that and you will get your links.
Posted by Paul Allen
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Posted on 2/29/16 at 10:26 am to
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lsu777


Coward
Posted by busbeepbeep
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Posted on 2/29/16 at 10:48 am to
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A link to skew that HiiT has a much greater Epoc(post exercise calorie burn) than jogging?


my early research got me to that conclusion as well, so I stuck with HIIT


I did this HIIT cycling routine when I lost a big portion of my weight.

Lately, I started following Lyle McDonald's stubborn fat solution, and doing 5 min warmup, 10 minutes of intervals (bike), 5 minutes rest, then 30 minutes of low intensity (inclined walk).
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/29/16 at 11:08 am to
lyle is a douche(not as big a douche as Paul Allen is) but a giant douche none the less. But his programs work. The stubborn fat loss solution is very good protocol and the book overall is very good.
Posted by Paul Allen
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Posted on 2/29/16 at 11:56 am to
I explicitly asked for a link. Your rebuttal was downright nasty and dismissive to say the least. Look at what I asked for (a link) and look at your response to me. You cannot be serious about calling me a douche when all I literally asked for was a link.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 2/29/16 at 1:08 pm to
Good overview

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With short-intense bouts of activity improving vo2max, anaerobic threshold and other endurance biomarkers to the same degree. Without having to join the running room, drive a bicycle up your arse, or buy a banana-hammock for mind-numbing laps of the pool.

If you enjoy these activities, I guess you can have at it. But, it’s important to understand that this behaviour is not getting you any closer to the strength and muscle necessary to fight the negative effects of aging. And when done to the extreme (which has become common with the universal goal of ‘running a marathon’) it’s probably accelerating the process.


I agree with the big bear (777). There is a ton of evidence if you desire searching it out. Steady state cardio is a bad investment with limited return.
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