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re: Anybody conceal carry in school?
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:25 pm to Hawkeye76
Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:25 pm to Hawkeye76
In AL, section (d) is very relevant to your question too.
Look to your state's criminal code for defenses and see if your state has similar statutes.
Look to your state's criminal code for defenses and see if your state has similar statutes.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 4:55 pm
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Posted on 10/2/15 at 4:55 pm to Five0
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In AL, section (d) is very relevant to your question too.
Is it not unlawful use of force if the person was not supposed to be armed in the first place? It's unlawful to be armed in a "gun free zone". I'm just trying to figure out how this can be spun on someone who did the right thing in the "wrong place".
ETA- I lived and went to college in north AL.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 10/2/15 at 5:05 pm to Hawkeye76
That sir is why there are grand juries and jury trials. They pick between the lesser of the wrongs. A more extreme example is some child molesters caught by fathers that were straight up killed. Murder convictions are a rarity for them. When I have time, I will explain why civil liabilities may be what brings an end to these gun free zones. Interestingly liability is what brought them into existence in the first place.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 5:05 pm to athenslife101
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They have no clue what they're talking about. Training is important but even that isn't enough. When your in a situation like that, you get an adrenaline rush to hell. You get severe sensory deprivation. You can't hear at all. You get extreme tunnel vision. You become either overly aggressive or timid. Your comprehension skills go way down. That isn't choice. That isn't something you can control. Experience helps some but not always. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people who are very well trained who have adreneline rushes and they simply make bad decisions. And that's just a little bit to consider.
Yeah adrenaline is a bitch. Having been in the military and in high danger situations overseas, you still get that rush even when you've trained. I can only imagine what it'd be like with random college students trying to take out a shooter with stray shots going everywhere. I have no doubt the good guys take out a few innocent students in the process.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 10/2/15 at 5:46 pm to Interweb Cowboy
These should work.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 6:06 pm to Goldrush25
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adrenaline is a bitch. Having been in the military and in high danger situations overseas, you still get that rush even when you've trained. I can only imagine what it'd be like with random college students trying to take out a shooter with stray shots going everywhere. I have no doubt the good guys take out a few innocent students in the process.
Thank you. A lot of people here seem to think since they've seen a lot of action movies they can handle it, when none of them have a clue how they'd handle it.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 6:16 pm to OMLandshark
Says someone that is relying on no experience. Go figure.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 8:00 pm to swanny297
swanny297,
Had time to practice that google-fu yet?
Had time to practice that google-fu yet?
Posted on 10/2/15 at 9:33 pm to Five0
quote:You may be clever in law but you should take your CC class again - in this case although sad a concealed carry permit isn't a license to protect the lives of others, and when you make the decision to pull a firearm in a firearm free zone and do so by shooting into a crowd possibly killing bystanders not in harms way you aren't any better than your intended target.
Furthermore, how do you prove extreme indifference to human life when the person is acting to defend their life and the lives of others.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 10/2/15 at 9:51 pm to Five0
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13A-3-23 Pay special attention to section (d) of that statute.
quote:I see where this section is handy if you kill the shooter, but what immenant threat did the innocent bystander pose to you that justified you to take their life, wrong time wrong place doesn't equal justified use of force. I would think discharging a firearm in a firearm freezone would also be considered an unlawful act wouldn't it?
(d) A person who uses force, including deadly physical force, as justified and permitted in this section is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the force was determined to be unlawful.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:20 pm to swanny297
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you should take your CC class again
Go back to the shallow end.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:43 pm to swanny297
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and when you make the decision to pull a firearm in a firearm free zone and do so by shooting into a crowd possibly killing bystanders not in harms way you aren't any better than your intended target.
Wrong.
Liberal doctrine says that as long as the intent is good then the outcome is irrelevant. See war on poverty.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:45 pm to Five0
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:10 pm to upgrayedd
] Know what I can promise you? That I am right on this.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:13 pm to Five0
Posted on 10/3/15 at 2:42 am to Interweb Cowboy
I carried a 40 cal in my backpack a couple of times to school at LSU during undergrad in the 90's because I had to walk down state st. late at night and those three blind mice gang idiots were around.
Your post is good because I asked myself would I do the same today. At first I thought no. But then after a few minutes it was a clear absolute yes. I am not sure if I would conceal carry or have in backpack. I think conceal carry on person would be wisest.
Hope that helps.
Your post is good because I asked myself would I do the same today. At first I thought no. But then after a few minutes it was a clear absolute yes. I am not sure if I would conceal carry or have in backpack. I think conceal carry on person would be wisest.
Hope that helps.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 2:49 am to Five0
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Says someone that is relying on no experience. Go figure.
Which is the fricking point. I don't have any experience with it, nor does anyone on campus. Assuming you alone would be able to stop it is nothing short of retarded and the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Everyone in the room will have no idea what to do, and they will rely on instinct. This subject shows who the single dumbest posters are. Many posters pride themselves on being Rambo, but even being armed, they are not trained for a situation where mass innocents are fleeing. At best they do a Frank Drebin situation where they kill the gunman, but also kill a few innocents. This and the polithread have led to a new low on the intelligence of this site. Congrats.
This post was edited on 10/3/15 at 2:53 am
Posted on 10/3/15 at 2:57 am to OMLandshark
This post strikes me as being really shrill. I don't know what arg above is but I think u lost.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 10:16 am to OMLandshark
I am carrying on a campus right now that has a zero weapons policy. I also have experience with active shooter situations.
That voids this assumption on your part:
I am not the only person on this campus that had training and chooses to carry. This scenario is not limited to the campus I am on.
That voids this assumption on your part:
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they are not trained for a situation where mass innocents are fleeing.
I am not the only person on this campus that had training and chooses to carry. This scenario is not limited to the campus I am on.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 10:58 am to OMLandshark
There are plenty of very qualified people on most campuses, and classes are offered to the general public dealing with these exact situations from people who have been in these exact situations multiple times. Plenty of high stress/intensity classes are offered around here as well.
It comes down to being trained, and a lot of people are much more ready to deal with a situation like that than regular cops
It comes down to being trained, and a lot of people are much more ready to deal with a situation like that than regular cops
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