re: Another shooting rampage, this one in Virginia Beach

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of course, my other idea is to stay in context of when the 2nd amendment was enacted, and only have muzzleloaders available, but hey you can have all the muzzleloaders you want... but i don't think that is gonna get too far...

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Duh, because the US Supreme Court, 8-0, squashed this ignorant line of reasoning in the 2016 Caetano case. You are utterly clueless kid.

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I'm sure people would like a few more of their family members back.

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I'm sure they would. Why are you talking about guns then? What does a gun have to do with it? Need less guns? What the frick would that change?
Where's that meme......"look son, there's an idiot."

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Need less guns?

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we surely don't need more, nor do we need to decrease the amount out there already....

what we do need is more rigorous access and more mental health appropriation...

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we surely don't need more, nor do we need to decrease the amount out there already....

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Except the best info available suggests permissive CCW schemes result in a decrease in firearms-related homicides, along with a wide selection of other crimes of violence.

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what we do need is more rigorous access and more mental health appropriation...

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Last page you were talking about the inanimate objects, now it's about the human aspect. Do you not have a coherent argument?

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talking about the inanimate objects

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i was referencing someone else's post.... perhaps you missed that...

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now it's about the human aspect.

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that is my position... as you can probably see from my posts... in all of this madness, there is a human aspect... while guns are the method by which this all plays out, the HUMAN behind the gun is what has to be stopped, whether by restricted access, whether by help with their life situations, whatever...

i've not once said guns should be banned, where no one can get a gun, or anything even close to that... but i do think that making them harder to obtain legally, while also severely imposing laws that make the illegal sale and access to firearms something that people will not want to do, and also mandating a registry of all guns already in the hands of people and those that are manufactured, so that they can be traced back to whoever has them or uses them, are some points that need to happen to appease both sides....

as a pro gun person, what's the harm in registering your guns with a serial number, or something like that, so that it's at least accounted for? please know that i'm legitimately asking for your opinion, because i just want to hear y'all side of it because i'm not familiar with y'all opinion of it...

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higher caliber guns should require higher and higher prices and training in order to acquire them...

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Like a .270 or .308 right? Because an AR15 is a .223.

Wait I thought everyone thought hunting rifles were fine? We don’t want to take those! We should make people get training for single shot deer rifles!

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But, truthfully, not what any of us suspected (race of killer)

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Wasn't surprising at all ... workplace blowups have a different motivation than other mass shootings.

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see "restriction" in my statement... i didn't say "ban"....

if you want a semi-auto, you can have one... you just have to prove, above and beyond, that you are a responsible gun owner, and that you accept responsibility for the gun itself... that's my proposal... nothing i've said said ban anything...

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I wasn't really talking about the law. I was thinking more in terms of all the anti-gun sentiment you see coming from private citizens and businesses.

It's insincere... Are Salesforce and Citibank really just oh-so-concerned about some workplace dispute in Dog Poo, VA that got violent? Are you really afraid of getting shot, or just a contrarian? How deeply have you analyzed that?

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but i do think that making them harder to obtain legally, while also severely imposing laws that make the illegal sale and access to firearms something that people will not want to do,

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And the potential for government abuse for any enhanced testing/permission to buy firearms almost assures the implicit destruction of a constitutional right. And what exactly do you know about the punishment for the illegal sale of firearms, that makes you think the punishment isn’t a deterrent for anyone not a criminal?

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and also mandating a registry of all guns already in the hands of people and those that are manufactured, so that they can be traced back to whoever has them or uses them, are some points that need to happen to appease both sides....

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Which will also only apply to the law abiding, and can only serve as a vehicle for the government to control/deny permission of the possession of firearms to whomever they see fit. Again, you are talking about the destruction of a constitutional right. Don’t fool yourself into thinking that it would be about denying criminals access. They don’t follow the law. Pretty easy to see the slippery slope here, if you have a brain.

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What does a gun have to do with it? Need less guns? What the frick would that change?

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You seriously don't understand how less guns would lead to less deaths? "Look son, there's an idiot."

I also love the "God given right." First of all, separation of church and state right? Also how is owning a gun a fundamental human right? If so, why aren't they given to us for free?

"But but our founding fathers..." DID NOT put it into the constitution. it was an AMENDMENT. do you know what that word means? Is it really so mind boggling to add another AMENDMENT? Should laws not be looked at in the time and place they were created? Would you like to take a look at what our founding fathers "allowed" and then we AMENDED the Constitution to update them to our current times.

but yes, let's please continue to govern our country like it's still the 1700s.