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re: An old friend's husband committed suicide
Posted on 8/1/19 at 5:29 pm to Obtuse1
Posted on 8/1/19 at 5:29 pm to Obtuse1
As a Vietnam vet, let me assure you, the VA is taking great strides addressing the suicide issues with today’s vets. Call for an appointment or follow up, there is a 30 sec message with help line numbers, etc. There is a message in almost every email.
The help is readily available, but ya can’t force a vet to pick up the phone or walk in to a clinic. Far to many give up & make the wrong step ..... sad.
Sorry for your friends loss. Those left behind sadly pay the price.
The help is readily available, but ya can’t force a vet to pick up the phone or walk in to a clinic. Far to many give up & make the wrong step ..... sad.
Sorry for your friends loss. Those left behind sadly pay the price.
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 5:30 pm
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Posted on 8/1/19 at 5:36 pm to PrivatePublic
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Not everyone gets the message, and old opinions die hard, but the help is there whether you acknowledge it or not.
Everybody gets the official message but perception is the reality and anyone that thinks a PTSD or even TBI diagnosis on one's official records doesn't hurt their placement and advancement is kidding themselves.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 5:44 pm to Hogwarts
quote:Can't force them to accept our help.
Wish we took better care of vets in this country.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 5:47 pm to LSUFanHouston
22 a day....... shite.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 5:49 pm to Klingler7
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I have personally known four friends who ended their lives. 3 men who were millionaires and “had it all
That’s interesting.. I’ve known a few suicide victims, fortunately no one i was very close to.. one of the issues they all shared (but not their only issue) was money problems .. Was there a common thread amongst the three you knew that contributed, or simply mental illness?
Posted on 8/1/19 at 5:59 pm to Hogwarts
quote:almost 10 years ago when we last had a thread that discussed military suicides I did some digging. From 2001 to 2011, the suicide rates from military and civilians was fairly even in growth (both almost doubled).
The suicide rates of veterans is staggering. Wish we took better care of vets in this country.
The rise in suicides is not a military issue. It is a mental health issue both inside and outside of the military.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:16 pm to Sweltering Chill
All three men were very successful in their careers. One friend was a psychologist in Toronto. He had a very stressful job but had time to date. He had a small plane and he loved animals. He told me once he had aspergers syndrome. He offered to freely help me with some problems I was having. 3 weeks later, he hung himself.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:20 pm to LSUFanHouston
I need mental help
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:29 pm to Sweltering Chill
quote:Naw main, don’t go here.
That’s interesting.. I’ve known a few suicide victims, fortunately no one i was very close to.. one of the issues they all shared (but not their only issue) was money problems .. Was there a common thread amongst the three you knew that contributed, or simply mental illness?
The reasons and contributing factors to suicide can be manifold & complex. You’re not going to be able to distill an “answer” from three isolated instances. While money problems might sometimes be an issue, trying to “solve” a suicide is treacherous territory.
Consider yourself lucky that you aren’t more familiar with it.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:30 pm to LSUFanHouston
A friend of mine founded and runs this organization dedicated to helping vets and focusing on suicide prevention if anyone wants to donate. He used to be heavily involved with Wounded Warriors before he caught wind of their bullshite.
22Kill
22Kill
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:37 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
I'm glad for their service, and gladly contribute to their treatment. But if someone has untreated PTSD, maybe don't have kids or set up a family that you ruin once you decide you want off the ride...
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:44 pm to PrivatePublic
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As someone who works closely with the military, I can unequivocally say that at every turn they try to make it known that it is OK and not career threatening to seek mental help and have been doing so for several years.
Not everyone gets the message, and old opinions die hard, but the help is there whether you acknowledge it or not.
Oh they do offer help...but the unspoken message, still to this day, is that it is career derailment. Now, I don't necessarily think that having PTSD shouldn't change the trajectory of one's military career, but to say it doesn't is BS. I think we also need more research into why so much PTSD is 'born' of the military. I want to say I saw a stat that the majority of Vets who do suicide, were never deployed in combat.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 6:59 pm to Tiger in Gatorland
quote:I think the majority aren't related to PTSD. Rather it's difficulty adjusting from military civilian life. Guys lose their sense of purpose and feel lost and useless. Another thing is it's difficult for them to form new relationships. Many of these guys joined when they were right out of highschool and started the people they served with became their family. So even when they get out and get married and and have kids like society says you should do, there just isn't enough room in their hearts and souls for new people. As much as they may want to move on and be a good husband and father it's difficult for many.
I think we also need more research into why so much PTSD is 'born' of the military. I want to say I saw a stat that the majority of Vets who do suicide, were never deployed in combat.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 7:03 pm to LSUFanHouston
They’re fighting a figment of George Bush’s imagination. Cannon fodder for the elite
This post was edited on 8/1/19 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 8/1/19 at 7:04 pm to soccerfüt
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Naw main, don’t go here. The reasons and contributing factors to suicide can be manifold & complex. You’re not going to be able to distill an “answer” from three isolated instances. While money problems might sometimes be an issue, trying to “solve” a suicide is treacherous territory. Consider yourself lucky that you aren’t more familiar with it.
You’re right, it’s really complex- hope you didnt think i was implying that there was a simple explanation, or answer.
But i dont think there’s anything wrong with trying to understand it, and people’s reasons for doing it.. partially out of simple human curiosity, and partially to see if there are warning signs or commonalities i can look for in people i know, or even myself one day, before things get out of hand.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 7:17 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Rather it's difficulty adjusting from military civilian life. Guys lose their sense of purpose and feel lost and useless. Another thing is it's difficult for them to form new relationships. Many of these guys joined when they were right out of highschool and started the people they served with became their family
This 100%. Military life is a completely different thing then working in America, especially the guys that deploy a lot. Everyone calls it PTSD and it many times is but I also think it’s deeper then that and as you said many of these guys went into the military because they don’t have the mentality to work and live a normal life. The military career is so much different then a working career for those in combat or service roles, not clerical or admin or professional jobs like engineers and medical I mean.
I just think it’s somewhat a losing battle to begin with. So many of these guys are completely lost in life when they join, that’s why they join to find a purpose. Then they go blow shite up for lack of better terms for a couple of years, go through high stress like combat, and then at some point we expect them to get back into the real world. It’s just a really tough task to help them.
I’m not saying this is everyone, just the guys I’ve personally been around with PTSD and adjustment type of issues.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 7:19 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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I think the majority aren't related to PTSD. Rather it's difficulty adjusting from military civilian life.
Yea, I bet you are correct about that. Maybe the military needs to have more of a step-down program. Maybe 1-2 years after your commitment: Financial assistance, housing is safe, integrating into community, developing healthy activities -- like make this part of the obligation of the military that the Veteran is able to adjust. Maybe like a sizable severance package.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 7:22 pm to Hogwarts
Yeah. So many sing praises of vets, yet on the real support fall way fricking short.
Posted on 8/1/19 at 7:50 pm to Hogwarts
Less war would help
Posted on 8/1/19 at 8:05 pm to LSUFanHouston
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he stands up, takes out a gun, and shoots himself. In front of her, with the kids at home.
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