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re: An interesting case of self-defense is going to get heated in Lake Charles
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:23 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:23 pm to lsupride87
quote:same at my house, but sitting tight is a better tactical plan, than going outside, easily could be an additional bad guy "watching / waiting for ambushing you coming outside.
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1. Homeowner should not have gone outside, call police then wait inside. 1A if he attempts to gain entry - shoot.
I have a 3,000 sq foot house and three children and each of their rooms has a window
If he gains entry through one of their windows and means harm, one of my children is dead before I can take action thanks to your brilliant plan
I absolutely am meeting him in the yard if I can
This is a house bit an apt. There are multiple entry points. Waiting inside while he has the opportunity to come in from anywhere is dumb
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:26 pm to bubbaprohn
I would say this dude should not have said or should say absolutely nothing about a "warning shot"
Thats exactly what it takes for a shitbag DA to go up to the podium and tell the jury you did not fear for your life when you pulled the trigger
Thats exactly what it takes for a shitbag DA to go up to the podium and tell the jury you did not fear for your life when you pulled the trigger
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:35 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:Well ok
same at my house, but sitting tight is a better tactical plan, than going outside, easily could be an additional bad guy "watching / waiting for ambushing you coming outside.
While you are patiently looking at bad guy 1 from inside your house, bad guy 2 is breaking into your young child’s bedroom
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:36 pm to choupiquesushi
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same at my house, but sitting tight is a better tactical plan, than going outside, easily could be an additional bad guy "watching / waiting for ambushing you coming outside.
That’s true even if you KNOW it’s a bad guy trying to get in your front door.
Waking out there brandishing a gun to confront a “possible intruder” is asking for trouble unnecessarily.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:36 pm to Caraway Rye
Not really. The stupid liberal talking about is usually “why didn’t you fire a warning shot”. This SOB actually did 
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:37 pm to NoSaint
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But I don’t have to play Rambo on every drunk college kid. It’s bad for them. It’s bad for me.
How many drunk college kids trying to enter their home do you think the average person sees in a lifetime?
I'm sure it would have helped of the kid shouted "I'm just a harmless drunk college kid" but otherwise, how would a homeowner woken up by the sounds of someone trying to get into their home know anything about the person?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:37 pm to Earnest_P
It wasn’t a “possible intruder”. It was an “intruder”. He was already in the man’s shop
Posted on 7/20/22 at 2:41 pm to lsupride87
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While you are patiently looking at bad guy 1 from inside your house, bad guy 2 is breaking into your young child’s bedroom
That’s two people so far, at least, who are certain that it’s a good idea to walk out of their house to face unknown numbers of assailants in the yard while their kids sleep in their bedrooms.
Y’all need some training before you go out there like a jackass and get yourself killed and hand the bad guys another gun to use against your people.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:01 pm to Earnest_P
Truth is you never know what you would do in that situation. FYI I have cameras up all around my house and guest house but still lost track of a guy that tried to break into my house a few months back.
I didn't go confront him because I lost track of where he was and didn't want to leave my wife alone while running around the property trying to confront the guy but I did initially open the door with no weapons to yell at him to GTFO. When I couldn't locate him that's when I armed myself and called the police.
Had the threat accelerated in or outside of my house then I would have had no issues protecting myself, my wife, or my property. The guy trying to get into my house was also clearly drunk but that doesn't excuse anything.
My thread about it
LINK
I didn't go confront him because I lost track of where he was and didn't want to leave my wife alone while running around the property trying to confront the guy but I did initially open the door with no weapons to yell at him to GTFO. When I couldn't locate him that's when I armed myself and called the police.
Had the threat accelerated in or outside of my house then I would have had no issues protecting myself, my wife, or my property. The guy trying to get into my house was also clearly drunk but that doesn't excuse anything.
My thread about it
LINK
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:02 pm to Earnest_P
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brandishing
I really hope you aren't responsible for training anyone else.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:16 pm to Earnest_P
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That’s two people so far, at least, who are certain that it’s a good idea to walk out of their house
There are circumstances when it is a good idea to go out and circumstances when it isn't a good idea. All I'm saying is the guy may have had a good reason to go outside, maybe he was worried about vulnerable neighbors, relative next door or that torch and 5 gallon gas can in the garage?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:27 pm to stout
I was worried about this exact same thing when we were out of our house for 6 months last year being repaired. None of my neighbors were out of their homes while we were. I would go by every morning and evening to check on things and make sure workers locked up and whatnot. I got a new truck during that time period and one night I was over there kind of late walking around and the next thing I know, one of my neighbors 2 doors down was hollering at me not realizing it was me. He's insane considering he didn't know what he was confronting at the time. I have no idea if he was armed or not but I sure as hell wasn't. I say all that to agree with what you just said about you never know what you would do in that situation. Also sounds like we don't live too far from eachother & I live a few neighborhoods south from this particular incident. It was 4th of July so any gunshots from that far away would have sounded like fireworks to me at 10:30pm.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:28 pm to lsupride87
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He was already in the man’s shop
but was he leaving...
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:28 pm to ghost2most
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He seems like a good kid just reading about him and glancing at his FB profile. I wish there was a better resolution. Would I have shot him? No. I would never go outside to confront a potential burglar with my family inside. I'd call the police and wait inside ready to blast if he came in. But I can't blame the homeowner. Not guilty. But tragic. Again, 99 percent of the time I'm like good riddance when these clowns get got, but not this time.
Pretty much all of this.
As I posted earlier in the thread, from one of my children who was friends with him and seeing on the private Facebook page of the fraternity he was in, he was a really good young man who did alot of charity work and was well liked.
But, the homeowner doesn’t know that. All he knew was a large man was trying to get into his house. I wouldn’t have personally handled it like he did, but I can’t assume he has decades of fire arms training, tactics, and knowledge of deadly force like I do. Also easy to say that though on a forum and not be right there in the moment.
A couple of years ago, I happened to be awake at four in the morning when I heard someone hop the iron gate to my backyard and run by my window… we live on a dead end surrounded by other neighborhoods. I immediately was moving with my firearm, but I was also hitting every light in the house on my way down the hall. I’d much rather scare someone off than have to engage. I still went out the front to pie off each side to see if he was still there… he’d already moved a chair to the brick fence and hopped over. My wife asked why I didn’t go out the back. One, didn’t want to open the back door and get ambushed. Two, I really don’t want to shoot someone unless I have to.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:35 pm to Chad504boy
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but was he leaving...
I was actually thinking of this earlier. Things could get hairy if the scenario was he was walking down a driveway out towards the street and the homeowner was standing between him and the road. Still wouldn't explain not changing strategy after a warning shot, but he could have been gone pecan hammered.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 3:42 pm to stout
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A drunk college kid was trying to get into a house late at night. The homeowner heard it and went outside with a gun and told the kid to leave.
your best bet is to stay inside and call the cops. get your kids somewhere safe and defendable. arm yourself and don't do anything unless they force entry.
Seems like the homeowner was legit defending himself but could end up with a lot of legal bills to cover. Not saying it's right, it's just how things are.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 4:02 pm to ghost2most
I agree with everything that you wrote as the best way to deal with the incident.
It begs this question about the homeowner-Did the homeowner know that the kid was unarmed thus firing a warning shot prior to the fatal shots?
If you knew that the intruder was factually armed you wouldn't likely fire a warning shot, would you? I certainly would not.
What do y'all think?
It begs this question about the homeowner-Did the homeowner know that the kid was unarmed thus firing a warning shot prior to the fatal shots?
If you knew that the intruder was factually armed you wouldn't likely fire a warning shot, would you? I certainly would not.
What do y'all think?
Posted on 7/20/22 at 4:29 pm to lsupride87
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Not really. The stupid liberal talking about is usually “why didn’t you fire a warning shot”. This SOB actually did
Warning shots will be prosecuted as not in fear for your life anywhere with an anti-gun DA. No matter the state.
I tried to just pull up a bunch. But its tiring.
Warning shots are pretty much a big no.
"Opinion: Firing A Warning Shot Can Be A Gross Negligence Felony."
https://www.usacarry.com/warning-shots-self-defense/
In Ohio?
https://www.uslawshield.com/warning-shots-ohio/
Colorado?
https://coloradohandgunsafety.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-warning-shots/
Indiana?
https://www.ciyoudixonlaw.com/firearms-law/the-legal-criminal-implications-of-firing-a-warning-shot/
Texas?
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2019/12/28/understand-why-warning-shots-are-illegal-in-texas/
Dont think we even need to discuss blue states.
This post was edited on 7/20/22 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 7/20/22 at 4:38 pm to stout
Regardless of the issues, I’d hope everyone in here understands that the attorney has a client to represent and doesn’t make personal judgments of the guy because of the positions he takes for his client. He’s a solid dude and a good attorney.
Posted on 7/20/22 at 4:44 pm to NoSaint
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How much you think ol boy is paying in legal fees?
Probably not as much as you would think. There will be no criminal charges filed in this case. It’s an impossible prosecution.
There may be a civil filing but the statutes and case law in these matters are pretty clear. It potentially gets tossed out on Summary Judgment.
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Think he second guesses himself a ton?
Maybe but he should not.
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Over/under on how many family members may be second guessing him?
1 and I’m taking the under.
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