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re: Amazon to roll out electric vans to fight climate change
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:49 pm to JudgeHolden
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:49 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:I know more than those who continually spout the nonsensical anti-EV propaganda.
You sound like you know what you are talking about.
quote:I don't know, do you? I really don't have much of an idea of the process(es) used to do it. Could it be worse than mining it in the first place? It depends on how it's done, of course. All I know is that regardless of what the truth really is, and regardless of how "clean" the mining and/or recycling process gets, there will be jackasses complaining about the environmental impact saying it's better to just keep burning shite.
So what are the unanticipated (or underreported) consequences of lithium recycling?
quote:People are pretty good at solving problems, in general. I am confident that most of the main problems will be solved. The whole point, after all, is to solve the problems that burning fossil fuels creates. Which, even if you don't buy in the climate change stuff, we need to curb our reliance on fossil fuels for economic and national security purposes.
I’m not arguing the need to go electric. I am saying I’m about 80 percent sure it will create new problems that are being downplayed by those pushing it.
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:50 pm to Jester
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Well I’m not a fake fighter pilot either so I’ve got that going for me.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:51 pm to Jester
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Except that pollution affects the rate at which the climate changes.....
I think we should divorce ourselves as Americans from pollution and climate change argument, it isn't actually necessary and only produces heel digging. ETA in regards to EVs.
Car manufacturing is one of the primary economic engines in the world economy, it has been for decades and it will continue to be. One of the big reasons for manufacturing decline in the US is the fact we lost our competitive edge in car production. We still have a competitive advantage in EV production but it wanes every day due to infighting while China and most of the car producing countries embrace EVs. If we don't continue to move forward with innovation and production of EVs we will lose a huge chunk of the future economy.
If people want a strong US economy we need to foster EV growth.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:54 pm to Obtuse1
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Obtuse1
Liar.
ETA: For the idiots in here, I'm calling him a liar because his name is Obtuse1 and his posts are typically anything but.
You know what, nevermind.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:56 pm to TejasHorn
Basically Amazon and Bezos is looking for an even further influx in business, so is pulling on the heart strings of people under the name of climate change. Smart
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:57 pm to Deactived
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Why?
It was basically a triple negative or something. Had nothing to do with the opinion in the post itself.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:58 pm to Deactived
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When a certain set of cars becomes more efficient and reliable, they will be come the standard.
Turning that topic into a we are saving the world argument is bullshite
Is this innovation in electric and renewable energy not one of the steps to get us there?
You do know that efficiency/reliability and saving the world can happen at the same time, yes?
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:12 pm to Chucktown_Badger
There will always be innovation and a push to be more efficient. That goes without saying.
Yes.
The problem people have is when you have slimy politicians pushing agendas to get to point B. There will be push back resulting from that. They dont care about 'saving the world'. They care about money and power and climate change is just the tool to get it. None of them know jack about anything to do with the earth's climate. Ie. AOC
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You do know that efficiency/reliability and saving the world can happen at the same time, yes?
Yes.
The problem people have is when you have slimy politicians pushing agendas to get to point B. There will be push back resulting from that. They dont care about 'saving the world'. They care about money and power and climate change is just the tool to get it. None of them know jack about anything to do with the earth's climate. Ie. AOC
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:12 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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Obtuse1
Liar.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:15 pm to crewdepoo
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So now electric cars are worse for the environment. Makes sense
I'm not sure anyone really knows the answer to that. Modern gasoline cars are pretty damned clean. Power plants are kind of all over the map... you have coal plants, which everyone agrees are dirty. You have gas plants, which are clean. There is nuclear, which people don't agree on.
My hunch is that making fuel into mechanical energy into electricity and then back into mechanical energy is, all other things held equal, less efficient than just making fuel into mechanical energy.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:17 pm to Deactived
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They dont care about 'saving the world'. They care about money and power and climate change is just the tool to get it. None of them know jack about anything to do with the earth's climate. Ie. AOC
Climate change legislation is mostly about government takeover of the means of production. It's a massive power grab.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:18 pm to Deactived
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The problem people have is when you have slimy politicians pushing agendas to get to point B.
Maybe when the slimy politicians are pushing for getting to a point B that is actually good for the country and the economy we shouldn't spend our time pushing back, just for the sake of pushback. Let them have a win even if they play for the other team if it is the best long term for the country, fight them on the myriad of other stupid point Bs they want to get to. We often fight against our own interest just because the idea primarily is championed by people with an R or D behind their name.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:19 pm to Deactived
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The problem people have is when you have slimy politicians pushing agendas to get to point B. There will be push back resulting from that. They dont care about 'saving the world'. They care about money and power and climate change is just the tool to get it. None of them know jack about anything to do with the earth's climate. Ie. AOC
Exactly. I’m all for continued significant investment in renewable energy and electric vehicles. But these people push these ridiculous doomsday scenarios in an attempt to push their radical ideas. The green new deal was about total government seizure of wealth and total government control of the economy.
Why would people ever go along with that? Well, most wouldn’t. UNLESS you convince them that the only alternative is literally the end of world within their lifetime. Then they will agree to anything.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:21 pm to fallguy_1978
It's funny. Some of the most ardent green energy supporters I know are against mining. They're stupid.
People will buy into anything
People will buy into anything
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's funny. Some of the most ardent green energy supporters I know are against mining. They're stupid.
If you can't find blatant hypocrisy in the beliefs of any human you aren't really trying.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:27 pm to Obtuse1
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If you can't find blatant hypocrisy in the beliefs of any human you aren't really trying.
There are absolutely no contradictions in my weltanschauung, thank you very much. Nope, not one.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:28 pm to eScott
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If we go out for drinks and the bill is $250 and I give you $1, I can say I contributed to the bill, but did I really make a difference
Nice madeup scenario with absolutely no relevance to the topic being discussed.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:28 pm to TejasHorn
As they sell products that Chinia pollutes the earth without regard to make.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:38 pm to USMEagles
quote:But all other things are not equal. For example, a modern internal combustion engine is about 20% efficient. A modern fossil fuel power plant is about 40% efficient. Transmission is about 95% efficient, charging about 85%, and electric motors about 85%. Combined (.4 * .95 * .85 * .85), EV's are about 27% efficient at converting FF at the power plant into power out of the motor. That's a 35% improvement over ICE engines, and that's worst case scenario that 100% of the electricity used to charge the car came from a FF plant.
My hunch is that making fuel into mechanical energy into electricity and then back into mechanical energy is, all other things held equal, less efficient than just making fuel into mechanical energy.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:42 pm to Obtuse1
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If you can't find blatant hypocrisy in the beliefs of any human you aren't really trying.
Blindly following any ideology is frightening. People have turned their beliefs into pseudo religions.
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