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re: Amazon to roll out electric vans to fight climate change
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:20 pm to Martini
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:20 pm to Martini
quote:"Spent" vehicle batteries still have plenty of life left, and they can be easily repurposed as home energy storage. Also, lithium is infinitely recyclable, so once the tech and/or economics improves people can slow the bitching about so much environmental damage from mining as if they give a frick about it.
And then disposing of the spent battery after its beyond shelf life.
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:21 pm to stelly1025
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That is a ridiculous statement.
Hold my beer says
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eScott
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:21 pm to Jester
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This is just patently false.
As is the belief that this current climate trend is singlehandedly due to humans burning fossil fuels.
95% nature. 5% man.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:23 pm to Jester
Oh I see. I’m the line cook and he’s the restaurant owner.
I’m the poor one in the equation.
Well I’m not a fake fighter pilot either so I’ve got that going for me.
I’m the poor one in the equation.
Well I’m not a fake fighter pilot either so I’ve got that going for me.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:23 pm to Martini
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Well I’m not a fake fighter pilot either so I’ve got that going for me.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:25 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Something i found on the manufacturing thing after about 1 minute of effort:
I get that some of you hate anything that doesn't damage the environment or planet, but this is yet another area that our society continues to advance. It's a good thing, I promise. And no one is forcing you to buy an electric vehicle....so unrustle those jimmies fellas!
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Today an electric vehicle using an average mix of U.S. power generation sources — coal, natural gas, nuclear and renewables — emits roughly 300 grams per mile, or 25 percent less. With more nuclear or renewable carbon free electricity, net emissions can fall to 100 grams per mile or less — and that’s including upstream emissions used in the manufacturing of solar panels, wind turbines and the vehicles themselves. This would mean cutting emissions from ground transportation by 75 percent.
On some of the world’s cleanest grids, such as Sweden, a full transition to electric vehicles could reduce these emissions by up to 85 percent.
I get that some of you hate anything that doesn't damage the environment or planet, but this is yet another area that our society continues to advance. It's a good thing, I promise. And no one is forcing you to buy an electric vehicle....so unrustle those jimmies fellas!
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:25 pm to X123F45
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As is the belief that this current climate trend is singlehandedly due to humans burning fossil fuels.
95% nature. 5% man.
I mean, your numbers are completely made up and have no basis in reality or science, but I don't really disagree with you. That said, why can't a man who enjoys the outdoors also enjoy breathing clean air? There are other problems with pollution than just greenhouse effects.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:25 pm to Korkstand
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Also, lithium is infinitely recyclable, so once the tech and/or economics improves people can slow the bitching about so much environmental damage from mining as if they give a frick about it.
You sound like you know what you are talking about.
So what are the unanticipated (or underreported) consequences of lithium recycling?
Experience teaches me that every industrial operation has a waste stream, and it’s usually not built into the sales pitch on the technology.
I’m not arguing the need to go electric. I am saying I’m about 80 percent sure it will create new problems that are being downplayed by those pushing it.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:27 pm to X123F45
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95% nature. 5% man.
Well, you used percentages, so you must be telling the truth
The level of denial is strong.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:27 pm to JudgeHolden
By the way. This may be the most mirthless thread on the OT in recent memory.
Lighten up, baws.
Lighten up, baws.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:27 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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And no one is forcing you to buy an electric vehicle...
You dont think thats not in the cards?
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:31 pm to Deactived
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You dont think thats not in the cards?
Reading this line made my head hurt.
I mean, like I said above, we're continuing to advance as a society and transportation is one of those areas. This is similar to the advances in air travel to produce less emissions and be more efficient (as every new jet engine does), or removing lead from fuel, or creating cars that emit less.
If we can get to a point where electric cars have the range and freedom that regular cars do and their performance, cost, and comfort are the same, why would anyone not want one? We're not there yet, but the early adopters are financing additional investment and optimization. Like I said, it's a good thing.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:33 pm to Deactived
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And no one is forcing you to buy an electric vehicle...
You dont think thats not in the cards?
And there it is. The prophecy is complete.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:34 pm to HempHead
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TIL. Did not know that several advancements had been made.
It is coming on both fronts. The energy density of the batteries has gone up significantly for one.
When the need for lithium carbonate started to rise significantly is when you saw a lot of articles (rightfully so) about the horrible conditions used for extraction and processing mostly by fly by night small companies mainly in Bolivia. When the large companies were able to make the case to expand especially in brine extraction you started to see far more efficient extraction, they simply had the money to invest in the proper infrastructure. It also takes up to 20 times as long to produce lithium via brine than hard rock so during the initial ramp-up hard rock lithium was heavily leaned on. Basically with brining all you do is pump it out of the ground as a slurry and let it sit in evaporation ponds, when dry you have your lithium carbonate ready for final processing. It is very labor and energy (mainly solar) efficient. The next step that the free market will also take care of is lithium-based battery recycling as it becomes more profitable you will see more companies dive in and innovate.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:35 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Reading this line made my head hurt.
Why?
When people turn every topic into a political shitshow, you take into account what both sides want to do.
When a certain set of cars becomes more efficient and reliable, they will be come the standard.
Turning that topic into a we are saving the world argument is bullshite
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:36 pm to Jester
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I mean, your numbers are completely made up and have no basis in reality or science, but I don't really disagree with you. That said, why can't a man who enjoys the outdoors also enjoy breathing clean air? There are other problems with pollution than just greenhouse effects.
Pollution and climate change are two separate issues.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:37 pm to eScott
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Pollution and climate change are two separate issues.
Except that pollution affects the rate at which the climate changes.....
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:39 pm to I B Freeman
quote:I got a question too.
I got a question---are electric vehicles really better for the environment?
Aren't we using hydrocarbons to make the electricity? and don't we lose electricity as we transport it?
Do you run a generator at your house 24/7, or do you get your power from a power plant? And why is that? Because it's much, MUCH more efficient to produce the power at a large plant, and transport it to your house.
The same principle holds when comparing burning fossil fuels in a plant to charge an EV vs. burning the FF "on site" in the vehicle's engine.
Also, are you suggesting that we should wait until our grid power is 100% clean before converting to EV's? Because that's just stupid.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:42 pm to Jester
Your right. Pollution contributes to climate change. If we go out for drinks and the bill is $250 and I give you $1, I can say I contributed to the bill, but did I really make a difference.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:44 pm to X123F45
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Eh... A smidge farther would be alright.
Until the next solar cycle.
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