re: Amazon mandates five days a week in office starting next year

Well yeah, that prime shipping has been slipping. Good call bringing them back into the warehouses.

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Straight WFH is not ideal for most professions, but 40+ hours in an office 5 days a week is also not particularly necessary as well.you are being disingenuous if you dont agree with this.

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I agree with this

Seems like a lot of people sort of center themselves in these debates, instead of the company or department.

ETA- obviously there are exceptions where WFH works perfectly, but how can you expect to develop your 22-30 something employees if everyone is at home?

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I generally assume that anyone who doesn’t “understand” the productivity draw of WFH periods likely doesn’t do much, if any, higher level thinking as part of their job.

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Lmao, I work in healthcare so idgaf about all this but to be condescending is hilarious

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ETA- obviously there are exceptions where WFH works perfectly, but how can you expect to develop your 22-30 something employees if everyone is at home?

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This is a good point. I’m at a point in my life/career where I can productively WFH, so I do tend to take the self-focused perspective. It’s hard for me to imagine learning as much as I have if I had WFH in my 20s.

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bro, no one spends 8 straight hours at the office doing work for someone else’s company either.

Yes they do

Too many rats on a company staff that would tell them you went to the gym or cut the lawn, and are not at your work space, But you admitting to not working while in the office, is how I know youre not WFH for 40 hours a week

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Your jealousy is shining through.

I don't work not stop for my allotted time each day whether in the office or home, no one does. Days at home you can do small chores or put a decent meal cooking. In the office I try to be productive and do computer related stuff like researching whatever on the internet or pay some bills, etc.
As long as the work gets done, no one gives a shite. Upper management admits to doing the same type of shite because we're all people, not robots. If you do something on the side besides work while on the clock, cool, just handle your work business too.

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Lmao, I work in healthcare so idgaf about all this but to be condescending is hilarious

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Post I was replying to said this:

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I feel like people who fight for working at home are lazier than those that actually show up.

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But sure

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Because you don’t sound very necessary. Don’t need to work past 4? Don’t have work all 5 days of the week? Huge times of work with nothing to do?

That’s poor management. Certainly sounds like you should be helping the company by being more productive and your supervisor isn’t giving you enough tasks.

Who doesn’t want to work 25 hours a week as a wfh? Everybody…..

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Huh? Are you one of those people who claim from the second you sit down at your desk to the second you leave for the day you're constantly working outside of lunch?

Some jobs are much more cyclical than others and I don't think there's any reason for my supervisor to give me more tasks because I'm not running around the office at the end of the day pretending to be busy...

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Huh? Are you one of those people who claims from the second you sit down at your desk to the second you leave for the day you're constantly working outside of lunch?

Some jobs are much more cyclical than others and I don't think theres any reason for my supervisor to give me more tasks because I'm not running around the office at the end of the day pretending to be busy...

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No. I'm a business owner that routinely handles young employees. The OP was about Amazon, a company that has many many teams of employees that do similar tasks. If you have 8 people on a team doing a similar project and they are all busy 7/8 hours a day, that leads me to believe that maybe you only need 7 of them....

The problem with guys like you are you are only looking at your own work load and not the company. These forture 500s are bringing people back not because the top performers don't do great at home, its because the bottom 60-80% suck at WFH. If you can't understand that, you are going to be very limited in upward mobility outside of a select few fields such as IT and software.

Literally everyone and every company would prefer WFH. Its cheaper for the business and cheaper for the employee. Bringing people back into the office is because of obvious reasons....

ETA: Let me explain something else. I'm a company that has on site operations as well as office staff that could WFH. The issue many companies have is that moral for those that are operations and see other departments WFH is a MAJOR issue. The WFH people see it as tough luck, but its just not easy.

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But you are right, WFH also allow the lazy and undisciplined to get worse. We fired a guy when it was determined he was spending most of his work day in his swimming pool.

Our IT guy hated WFH till he was allowed to do it, now he loves it.

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I think most everyone would love it. Again - context matters and not all jobs are the same - but yes working from home unsupervised I think most would love that, human nature I think.

And most would say in circumstances where all things are equal, that they would work just as well or better at home, but in my experiences and observations - that doesn't make it true. In fact, I believe some could and would, but they would be in the minority.