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Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:49 am to The Sad Banana
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First of all, the police are authority. I am not afraid of the police because I have nothing to hide from them. I comply with their orders whenever I encounter them because I'm not programmed to buck authority.
Cops are regular people, they make mistakes. Everyone should question authority.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:49 am to The Sad Banana
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I comply with their orders whenever I encounter them because I'm not programmed to buck authority
This. This right fricking here.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:49 am to Chad504boy
I got pulled over last week and was late to a big meeting
Still stings
frick the po po
Still stings
frick the po po
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:50 am to The Sad Banana
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First of all, the police are authority. I am not afraid of the police because I have nothing to hide from them. I comply with their orders whenever I encounter them because I'm not programmed to buck authority.
I am the same way, however, I have absolutely experienced the bad side of police. Without breaking a single law, I ended up with a narcotics detective shoving the barrel of his locked and loaded glock into the back of my head. Sometimes cops are out of control fricks.
All that said, I don't think this situation is as bad as it's made out to be.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:50 am to Jester
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What option do they have? Ask him to pull the gun out of his pocket at which point he is a fraction of a second from being able to kill them?
Taking him down and controlling his hands is probably the best option
It could be, I don't really know. The key issue is whether or not they believed he had a gun, and by all accounts, that was the case. If it was a "normal" struggle and a gun appeared from his pocket while on the ground, that is a different situation altogether.
They tried non-lethal methods which should be commended. When that didn't work, if lethal force was the next step, pulling out their guns while they're standing up seems more logical than going to the ground. I'd imagine it gives you more reaction time and allows you to give orders from a safer distance.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:51 am to LNCHBOX
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LNCHBOX
Obviously you don't understand the context of my post nor the post to which it replied. Try to keep up.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:52 am to Salmon
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others obviously disagree
Well. We know why.
I have a heavy distrust of those others after Michael Brown.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:52 am to Salmon
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cop yelling "he is going for it" isn't evidence
Unless he was actually going for it.. no it's not. There has to be some intent there or evidence backing up his statement.
The problem is that for whatever reason the legal system cares about what a cop feels and holds them to a different standard.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:52 am to slackster
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Obviously you don't understand the context of my post nor the post to which it replied. Try to keep up.
It's best to ignore him and move on. Same stuff, different thread.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:53 am to Jester
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Without breaking a single law, I ended up with a narcotics detective shoving the barrel of his locked and loaded glock into the back of my head. Sometimes cops are out of control fricks.
I think I know who you are. Was this in a car?
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:53 am to bmy
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No evidence of perp reaching for a gun.
This is absolute bullshite. Do you really think that cop was just itching to kill someone? You're using the classic argument from ignorance. The lack of evidence that something is true is not evidence that it is false.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:53 am to bmy
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Unless he was actually going for it.. no it's not.
Prove that he was not going for it.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It's best to ignore him and move on. Same stuff, different thread.
Best to ignore me because he can't actually respond? I guess that's good advice.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:54 am to LNCHBOX
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That video doesn't look bad to me.
Because you are taking the word of the officers in the video as fact. That is a reasonable positions, but it is also reasonable for people to be skeptical of what they cannot see to be true.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:54 am to Jester
This is cut and dry. Dude had a gun, resisted arrest, either went for the gun or the cops thought he was, and was shot for it. I'd have done the same thing even if I thought for a millisecond he was going for his gun. I'm not dying in NBR over some unruly frick head with nothing to lose. Nope.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:54 am to Jester
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This is absolute bullshite. Do you really think that cop was just itching to kill someone? You're using the classic argument from ignorance. The lack of evidence that something is true is not evidence that it is false.
I didn't see him reaching, so yes...there is no evidence from this perspective. The cops may have a totally different perspective though.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:54 am to slackster
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If he hasn't brandished the weapon yet I sort of liken this to a high speed chase - perhaps the best course of action is the one that keeps the situation as mild as possible. You certainly cannot let him escape, but as I said earlier, the take down took things from 0 to 100 instantly. It is plausible that was the right call, but I believe it is worth discussing and learning from going forward.
And in a high speed chase, if they see an opportunity to disable the car they will take it.
I think they saw an opportunity to take him down and get him under control, they just weren't able to do it.
The alternative (continuing to ask him to comply) leads to one of three things:
1. He complies (which, from the looks of it, is the least likely outcome)
2. He takes off running (which results in, hopefully, him being tackled anyway)
3. He reaches for the gun (which results in him being shot)
So, if you don't think he's going to comply I don't see the issue with attempting to get him to the ground if given an opportunity.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:54 am to The Sad Banana
quote:I'm happy for you. Everyone isn't so lucky with police, even though they don't have anything to hide from them.
I am not afraid of the police because I have nothing to hide from them. I comply with their orders whenever I encounter them because I'm not programmed to buck authority.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:54 am to slackster
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Obviously you don't understand the context of my post nor the post to which it replied. Try to keep up.
Why do you insult me instead of actually trying to counter anything I say?
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