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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:22 am to Rebelgator
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:22 am to Rebelgator
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Look at that arrest report. You think they didn't know him?
profiled?
ETA: and served
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 10:23 am
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Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:22 am to Salmon
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at the time of the incident, this is irrelevant, no?
Yes. I am simply pointing out that an open carry state is irrelevant when someone is a convicted felon.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 10:23 am
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:22 am to musick
By all accounts - accurate accounts - Alton Sterling was a bad man. However, that doesn't in and of itself justify his death. He could have been a priest and still warranted deadly force.
As much as I hate the race card being played in these situations, I also hate the fact that people go straight to the character of those involved. Good man or bad man, good cop or bad cop, it doesn't change the facts of the case at hand.
As much as I hate the race card being played in these situations, I also hate the fact that people go straight to the character of those involved. Good man or bad man, good cop or bad cop, it doesn't change the facts of the case at hand.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:23 am to lsuhunt555
This has all the signs of an RIAA hit. You sell copyrighted music, they coming for you. They don't care if you're white, black, young, old, or a child molesting, drug dealing, child molesting, shawty beating thief, the RIAA is coming.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:23 am to BengalBlood81
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You're bowing to someone who's opinion is that this armed person that was resisting arrest wasn't going for his gun in his pocket when two law enforcement officers are saying out loud he's going for his gun. You my friend are an idiot. The video doesn't confirm either way what the guy was doing at the time.
Um you might wanna reread and decide which of us is the idiot here. The post I bowed to clearly stated
quote:
What part of the video shows that he doesn't reach for a gun?
in other words, I'm taking the officers' word on this one bc A: the video doesn't show me that they were wrong
and B: the mf DID have a gun.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:23 am to slackster
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What does that matter? We don't know that they knew he was convicted felon, and it certainly isn't punishable by death on its own.
Why do you keep assuming the cops didn't know him? Street cops like this often times and I would actually say most of the time know exactly who guys like Sterling are. If Sterling routinely sold his "Cd's" in public like this, and those are not rookie cops than there is a great chance they knew who he was.
If you patrol the same town 5 days a week, you learn who people are pretty quickly.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:24 am to Mung
His gun was concealed. LA being an open carry state is irrelevant
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:25 am to 777Tiger
No, it's called knowing the people in your district. Officers tend to ride in the same area for months or even years. They know the people they deal with on a regular basis.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:25 am to Salmon
quote:Meh he was a regular at the store, the store called which means they probably knew him. They could have told the cops and the cops could have known what they were dealing with before all of this happened.
the cops didn't know this
However, that is speculation based on the store being the one who called and reading reports he was always at the store.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:25 am to slackster
Clarification. Gov. JBE said the US DOJ, Civil Rights Division will be the lead investigators.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:26 am to slackster
I'm just now finding out what's going on and watched video, it appears after the cops threat that he further resisted and tried to i guess free his arms. Very unclear though but that's how i read the situation. Very harsh to shoot the guy dead but what the frick else are cops supposed to do when people continue to resist and cops are being murdered in these situations.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 10:33 am
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:26 am to ReauxlTide222
What's the uproar about? The guy could have avoided this whole situation by doing what he was told by the officers. Hopefully people will watch this and think to themselves "Cops ain't no joke". "MaybeI should do what they ask"
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:26 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Clarification. Gov. JBE said the US DOJ, Civil Rights Division will be the lead investigators.
That's a very smart move. You have to get out in front of this.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:26 am to slackster
quote:
By all accounts - accurate accounts - Alton Sterling was a bad man. However, that doesn't in and of itself justify his death. He could have been a priest and still warranted deadly force.
As much as I hate the race card being played in these situations, I also hate the fact that people go straight to the character of those involved. Good man or bad man, good cop or bad cop, it doesn't change the facts of the case at hand.
Are you replying to me? All I said was that he was resisting, had an illegal gun, and didnt stop resisting after tazed and being ordered to stand down.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:27 am to musick
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What did you want the cops to do? Wait till he gets free and fires off some shots first? He was already convicted of a gun charge, he had an illegal gun again. That's 25 to life, he very easily could have taken any chance he had with not much to lose.
No, of course I don't want them to do that. Like I said, I tend to agree that it was, in all likelihood, a justified shooting. However, that doesn't mean it is free from potential criticism from both sides.
My biggest concern, at the moment, is whether or not the arresting officers thought/knew he had a gun. If they did, tackling him when he was standing there seems to have been a poor choice. Once you get in close quarters deadly force, from either side, is much more likely.
I don't expect them to let him walk away, but if the Taser doesn't work, and you suspect he is armed, I have a hard time believing tackling him was a smart move.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:27 am to Chad504boy
quote:I see what you're saying. Why not just comply?
I'm just not finding out what's going on and watched video, it appears after the cops threat that he further resisted and tried to i guess free his arms. Very unclear though but that's how i read the situation. Very harsh to shoot the guy dead but what the frick else are cops supposed to do when people continue to resist and cops are being murdered in these situations.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:27 am to musick
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Are you replying to me?
Yeah I was just replying since you posted or reposted his arrest record.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 10:28 am
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:28 am to slackster
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if the Taser doesn't work, and you suspect he is armed, I have a hard time believing tackling him was a smart move.
from the video, it looks like one fired a taser while the other charged at the exact time, like they planned the taser/take down
which worked because it got him on the ground
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:28 am to slackster
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My biggest concern, at the moment, is whether or not the arresting officers thought/knew he had a gun. If they did, tackling him when he was standing there seems to have been a poor choice. Once you get in close quarters deadly force, from either side, is much more likely.
The initial 911 call was that he was waving a gun around and threatening people with it. They knew he had a gun.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:29 am to Monsterplaya
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