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re: Alton Sterling shooting - discussion thread
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:14 am to Honkus
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:14 am to Honkus
I just don't understand someone who can see both videos and genuinely think he was killed in cold blood. I've been questioning tactics for 130 pages but at no point have I even contemplated this was a murder. I just can't imagine these people are serious and instead they're just jumping on the racism bandwagon angle.
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Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:16 am to toosleaux
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Why does it seem like everyone that gets killed by a cop and then turned into a martyr have a criminal history and/or were doing something illegal? I wish someone would study this and make a correlation, because I just don't understand. There's got to be a connection.
Its because IMO the black community it seems that its ok to commit crimes. That its normal to have a rap sheet because his dad did it and his dad and his dad. Same damn cycle that never breaks. Since they don't serve the time and continually get off its ok. You are still a good boy that would never hurt anybody even if you rob, steal, lie, resist arrest, etc.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:20 am to bayouvette
I don't think it's that. I think it's because the vast majority of the black community just doesn't think they should be held accountable for anything. Look at how many handouts they take in general.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:21 am to LSUTANGERINE
There are no guarantees but would you please tell me how many have been shot while complying
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:22 am to thegreatboudini
I know it's probably been asked before but can someone tell me what "frick 12" means?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:22 am to slackster
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genuinely think he was killed in cold blood.
I don't think he was killed in cold blood. I think he was killed becuase of hasty decision making and improper technique.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:26 am to OysterPoBoy
12 means police. So it basically means frick the police.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:27 am to IIxxBREADxxII
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I don't think he was killed in cold blood. I think he was killed becuase of hasty decision making and improper technique.
I completely agree. His hasty decision for resisting arrest while armed and his improper technique of complying with officer commands.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:32 am to Topwater Trout
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There are no guarantees but would you please tell me how many have been shot while complying
I have yet to see a video of someone being shot with their hands up in the air and complying with police orders. I have yet to see someone shot by the police who were in handcuffs from complying with orders.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 8:34 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:32 am to Puck82
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I completely agree. His hasty decision for resisting arrest while armed and his improper technique of complying with officer commands.
I'd like to do an experiment on people who think this. I'm being serious. I'd like to have two cops approach groups of random demographics aggressively and see how they really respond.
My guess is that most people across the board would not "comply" if set upon by police officers. Fight or flight would kick in, and you would do one or the other.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:32 am to Puck82
Yes Alton was wrong for resisting arrest. No disputing that.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:33 am to Puck82
This one is truly amazing. The officers tried three different methods of non-lethal ways to subdue a guy suspected to be armed. They don't see a gun, so they aren't even drawn on him. I don't understand what else people want cops to do here. They finally see a gun in his pocket and they obviously think he is trying to go for it. We can debate whether or not he actually was or wasn't, but it was a struggle, hard to see anything. Regardless, I don't know what else the cops can do to peacefully subdue this guy. Yet people are losing their minds. Typical.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:36 am to Boagni Swamp
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My guess is that most people across the board would not "comply" if set upon by police officers. Fight or flight would kick in, and you would do one or the other.
I would most certainly comply. Even if I didnt, I wouldnt have a gun on me to reach for so yeah.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:36 am to IIxxBREADxxII
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I don't think he was killed in cold blood. I think he was killed becuase of hasty decision making and improper technique.
How would you prefer the decision making process to go when a thug is trying to get his gun out during a struggle with police?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:37 am to munchman
Wasn't there a kid that was handcuffed in the back of police car in iberia parish that was shot in the chest. No video that I know of but that story was pretty interesting.
Autopsy showed he was shot in the chest... while handcuffed behind his back... with his own gun that wasnt found prior to putting him in the vehicle.
I usually side with the boys in blue but this case is a stretch.
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“White was taken into custody, handcuffed behind his back and transported to the Iberia Parish Sheriff’s Office for processing.” Upon arrival at the sheriff’s office sometime in the early morning hours of March 3, White became uncooperative and refused to exit the patrol vehicle, according to the release. “As the deputy requested assistance from other deputies, White produced a handgun and fired one round, striking himself in the back,” it continues. After the shooting, White was transported to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead.
Autopsy showed he was shot in the chest... while handcuffed behind his back... with his own gun that wasnt found prior to putting him in the vehicle.
I usually side with the boys in blue but this case is a stretch. This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 8:41 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:38 am to OysterPoBoy
Going to be interested to see if the media pivots to what looks like an actual injustice in Minnesota and stops worry about this nonsense in Baton Rouge.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:38 am to munchman
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I have yet to see a video of someone being shot with their hands up in the air and comply with police orders. I have yet to see someone shot by the police who were in handcuffs from complying with orders.
Victor White III, New Iberia. There is no video. He was shot while handcuffed in the back of a police cruiser.
The LEOs' explanation was that he had a gun on him even though they had searched him before cuffing him and putting him in the car. They said he committed suicide. Somehow while handcuffed behind his back, he was able to extract a gun from his clothing and shoot himself.
Remember how I said his hands were handcuffed behind his back? Despite that, somehow he was able to shoot himself in the chest.
If you don't think this happens, then I'd say you are not being realistic. Whether Alton Sterling would have been shot had he complied is another issue.
As an add-on note, the Sheriff of Iberia Parish, whose deputies were involved in this shooting, is now under indictment. Among the charges is that he would have prisoners taken to an area of the jail that couldn't be seen by cameras and beat them. Also, he had his deputies haul in someone he didn't like and beat the crap out of him.
I'm all for supporting LEO. I give them the benefit of the doubt. But I am not blind.
This post was edited on 7/7/16 at 8:41 am
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:39 am to Puck82
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I completely agree. His hasty decision for resisting arrest while armed and his improper technique of complying with officer commands.
Since the officer did not have a clear view of the right side of the man under the car and since they knew they were responding to a person with a gun, hasty decisions would become the norm once the guy in the red tee shirt made a hasty decision to not comply with request.
It's extremely rare for people, even black people to be killed when complying with law enforcement.
The chances go up dramatically when you decide to fight and even moreso when you are carrying a gun.
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:40 am to crkelly91
Has a video been released showing Sterling pointing a gun at someone, that resulted in the original 911 call that brought LE to the scene?
Posted on 7/7/16 at 8:41 am to Boagni Swamp
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My guess is that most people across the board would not "comply" if set upon by police officers. Fight or flight would kick in, and you would do one or the other.
I would guess that most law abiding citizens would fully comply with the officers. I know I damn sure would.
But keep in mind, your made up experiment involves unsuspecting people. Not armed career criminals.
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