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re: Allegedly, Madison Brooks had sex the day before incident that caused that caused injuries
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:33 pm to keakar
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:33 pm to keakar
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the video evidence shows she wasnt incapacitated or too drunk to reason and function so that dispels the "she was too drunk to consent" theory
It does no such thing. On its own it could cause some in jury to have reasonable doubt in a he/she said case where she wasn’t killed right after the rape and didn’t have blood taken right after to use for BAC levels, but the video evidence could also cause some to think she was too drunk. It’s a more subjective measure, and it depends on which side’s experts jury likes and their own experiences with drunken behavior going in regardless of questionnaire answers.
Her BAC level isn’t discounted by the videos.
For 3rd degree Washington should be toast based on what what’s been reported and in indictment. His only defense is saying no anal, oral, or vaginal sexual intercourse ever actually happened; the driver was wrong; and he was just lying when he said he had sex with her to others. Might need to account for whatever the nature was of his DNA that was found on her exterior rear area (but might be sexual battery).
Not living in state I don’t know if anything has been reported about anything said by the guy who was 17 at the time. If he has never told anyone that he had sex with her or that she was drunk drunk the DA may need Carver’s cooperation enough to make a deal.
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 2:53 pm
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Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:33 pm to JDPndahizzy
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Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:35 pm to JDPndahizzy
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that night she received 24 alcoholic beverages and fell four times
Clearly able to give consent to a gang bang by complete strangers in the backseat of a car
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:38 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Does anyone have a good link that has all of the info on this case? Trying to avoid reading the 26 plus pages
There is a link back on p. 24 of this thread to the original O-T thread. Pg 1 or 2 of it has several links to sources from a year ago.
The original thread is like 400+ pages of Rant bliss.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:40 pm to Old Sarge
There ya go.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:40 pm to AlwysATgr
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I think he was making a moral argument, not a legal argument.
That's not going to persuead a jury and thats what we are talking about
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I realize you dont read very well, but maybe you can try
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:41 pm to Old Sarge
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Sliver of evidence of consent? Like nodding her head up and down?
Or, calling Carver a fagg*t for not wanting to have sex with her? If that is really on the video, that seems to be reasonable doubt, or at least a sliver, establishing that maybe she did want to have sex with them
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:42 pm to Dorito
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Or, calling Carver a fagg*t for not wanting to have sex with her? If that is really on the video, that seems to be reasonable doubt, or at least a sliver, establishing that maybe she did want to have sex with them
Yep...if thats true then there's no way im voting guilty
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:43 pm to JDPndahizzy
I'm lucky that I can just look as an outside observer but it's a bad look on all who are involved. I don't think anyone is completely absolved.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:43 pm to tgrbaitn08
You have zero clue how the jury may lean. But I’m glad you won’t be on the jury because you have already made up your mind. You act like you wish you were in the car with them.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:43 pm to Old Sarge
quote:This is so ludicrous I immediately discount any source that states this
that night she received 24 alcoholic beverages
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:43 pm to JDPndahizzy
Not one person in this entire thread has brought up the fact that these defendants were indicted by a grand jury.
That means that according to no less than 9 people, the evidence presented warrants a conviction if uncontroverted.
What this means:
(1) there is prosecution evidence you haven't seen that substantiates these charges;
(2) the defense is doing its job to challenge that evidence.
That means that according to no less than 9 people, the evidence presented warrants a conviction if uncontroverted.
What this means:
(1) there is prosecution evidence you haven't seen that substantiates these charges;
(2) the defense is doing its job to challenge that evidence.
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:44 pm to Dorito
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If that is really on the video
If
The defense has a couple ifs
The actual evidence of her being almost black out drunk isn’t an if, the defendant saying she was too drunk to give consent in his statement isn’t an if
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:45 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Yep...if thats true then there's no way im voting guilty
here's our shock face that your pro rape.
She's of no legal ability to consent to drunk sex with randoms in the backseat of a car.
Carver admitted she was drunk at the bar, stumbling, too drunk to find friends, words slurring, they assisted her walking across the parking lot, she tried to go into a wrong car, carver knew it was wrong, said they finna rape her, video of her screaming get off, leaving her off the side of the road in a condition where she gets hit by a car standing in the middle of the highway.
Here's my shock face you're looking for desperate measures to support rapers raping.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:46 pm to dukke v
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You have zero clue how the jury may lean.
No one ever does....
thats how I know you've never sat on a jury quote:
I’m glad you won’t be on the jury
Well, I dont live in BR, so that would be impossible.
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You act like you wish you were in the car with them.
Why do you think I wish I was in the car with them? What difference would than make?
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:49 pm to AwesomeSauce
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This is a classic case of "she was asking for it" defense.
To be honest, she kind of was asking for it. She was a flirty sorority chick who wanted to party and get wild. All she had to do was simply say no to the guys who asked her to come with them and none of this would have happened.
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:50 pm to Old Sarge
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The actual evidence of her being almost black out drunk isn’t an if, the defendant saying she was too drunk to give consent in his statement isn’t an if
Sure it is. That guy isn't an expert on what to drunk to consent means.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:50 pm to bulletprooftiger
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Not one person in this entire thread has brought up the fact that these defendants were indicted by a grand jury. That means that according to no less than 12 people, the evidence presented warrants a conviction if uncontroverted. What this means: (1) there is prosecution evidence you haven't seen that substantiates these charges; (2) the defense is doing its job to challenge that evidence.
Great point, I’ve spent over a year on a grand jury, you don’t indict if you don’t think the evidence is substantial enough for a conviction on the charges, those are the instructions the DA gives and that’s what grand jurors do
It’s one of the hardest things I’ve done
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:50 pm to bulletprooftiger
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That means that according to no less than 12 people, the evidence presented warrants a conviction if uncontroverted.
Splitting hairs, but a grand jury only needs to consider if a crime was "probably" committed. Conviction requires beyond a reasonable doubt, which is a much higher bar
Posted on 3/13/24 at 2:50 pm to tgrbaitn08
Because you are all on the side of these dudes…. You act as if they didn’t do anything wrong… I’ll tell you what, if anything that comes out that whole at the bar she told them to give her a ride and then stop somewhere and have sex I’ll leave you alone.
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