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re: Alabama places 'failing' label on majority black schools only

Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:36 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:36 pm to
i'll ask it this way

what portion of the blame for failing students is on the student's family? it has to be more than 0 and less than 100
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:36 pm to
I think the system doesn't help those students out much, but at the same time their is an attitude amongst this particular ethnicity currently that they shouldn't be trying to help themselves, but they should be helped by someone else.


Both sides suck, and both sides need to look in the mirror.
Posted by junkfunky
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:37 pm to
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The system is working just as it was designed to.


Yep, liberalism hates education. Wouldn't want the voting bloc waking up.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:37 pm to
so your claim is that the system is designed to keep the black man down, but I'm curious as to the racial make up of the school boards, council members, reps for these failing school districts
Posted by I-59 Tiger
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:38 pm to
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so your claim is that the system is designed to keep the black man down, but I'm curious as to the racial make up of the school boards, council members, reps for these failing school districts


For the schools referenced in this article, 100% African-American.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:38 pm to
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so your claim is that the system is designed to keep the black man down, but I'm curious as to the racial make up of the school boards, council members, reps for these failing school districts

that's going to lead to a "pull back" to a larger argument and my guess is the vague "money" response
Posted by CadesCove
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:39 pm to
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Birmingham avoided it when Hoover created their own school system


Hoover has a bunch of black kids in their system. It is a class thing, not a racial thing. Hoover blacks are better off socio-economically than the blacks in Birmingham. They moved to Hoover to get their kids out of the gladiator academies that pose as high schools in Birmingham proper. And their kids tend to do just as well as their white counterparts in Hoover. Bham being controlled by mostly black Democrats for the last half century has had consequences. Education is not near the priority that kickbacks and pocket lining have proven to be.
This post was edited on 2/16/16 at 1:41 pm
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:41 pm to
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white people

Whites are racist for leaving, I guess the Racist white people should've known blacks were incapable of maintaining an educational system without them.
Posted by LSU_Saints_Hornets
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:42 pm to
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i'll ask it this way

what portion of the blame for failing students is on the student's family? it has to be more than 0 and less than 100


This is a good question. I can't give an exact number but lets say 50 50.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:42 pm to
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what portion of the blame for failing students is on the student's family? it has to be more than 0 and less than 100


A ton. You also have to consider how many children were born into families that were financially and socially highly unstable to begin with...unplanned pregnancies, father not around....

Hispanics may have a lot of early age pregnancies without all the financial means, but they have a strong family structure.
Posted by Paddyshack
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:44 pm to
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I can't give an exact number but lets say 50 50.


Let's say.... not a chance in hell you're being honest.
Posted by bamarep
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:45 pm to
The title is moronic on so many levels and couldn't be more slanted and wrong. You make it sound like they just went around the state looking for minority dominated schools to label as failure.


Want to know why those schools are labeled as "failures?" BECAUSE THEY ARE frickING FAILING!!!!

The fact that the schools are majority of brown people has ZERO to do with how they perform. That is unless you're of the belief that minorities aren't as smart as white people (which I don't believe BTW).

The reasons that those schools are failing are vast and all encompassing but skin color is irrelevant.
Posted by Rig
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:46 pm to
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CadesCove
Absolutely agree and what I was referring to in my post.
Posted by LSUGrad9295
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:48 pm to
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These 76 "failing" schools are the modern face of a legacy of segregation followed by desegregation followed by white flight followed by resegregation.



This sentence gave me a headache.


It gave me a headache too....then when I read it a second time, it occurred to me that this is EXACTLY what happened in Baton Rouge with schools in the early 80's.

Baton Rouge was a decent city to live in the late 70's-early 80's. Neighborhood schools were in full effect and everyone was happy. Problem was, the black schools complained that they weren't getting funded enough (and they were RIGHT...this WAS a problem that needed to be fixed). So in the early 80's, the famous desegregation ruling was made by a judge in BR. Then before long, the white flight started to occur, and here we are 35 years later and the schools are still as fricked up as ever.
Posted by High C
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:48 pm to
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It is a class thing, not a racial thing. Hoover blacks are better off socio-economically than the blacks in Birmingham. They moved to Hoover to get their kids out of the gladiator academies that pose as high schools in Birmingham proper.


This! It's not racism, it's socioeconomics and cultural expectations. I'm sure that Alabama is doing just as Louisiana is and blaming the schools. The politicians can't place the blame where it should rightfully go. It would cost them too many votes. The elephant in the room isn't going anywhere, I don't care what color it is.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:51 pm to
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I can't give an exact number but lets say 50 50.

we're talking theory so exact isn't required, so you're cool

what comprises the other 50?
Posted by Paddyshack
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:54 pm to
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what comprises the other 50?


Whitey, the statues, and oppression in general.
Posted by ShoeBang
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:55 pm to
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what portion of the blame for failing students is on the student's family? it has to be more than 0 and less than 100


When the school, lunch, books and uniforms are free, certified teachers are teaching the classes, and the administration is approved by the school board, the blame is around 99.5-99.9 % on the family and community.
Posted by High C
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:56 pm to
I just looked at the data in the link and saw a piece of information that surprises me. I teach at a school that is currently 2/3 white, but our free/reduced lunch percentage is higher than about half of the schools on that list. We are a "B" school.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/16/16 at 1:57 pm to
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Whitey, the statues, and oppression in general.

you people should respect an honest discussion and not reply to my legitimate questions with your political ignorance and racism

if you want to derail the thread, don't use my questions to do so
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