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re: Active Military Service - Exemption from paying Federal Taxes

Posted on 2/3/20 at 1:59 pm to
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 1:59 pm to
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Can they get tax breaks too since they wanted to join but can't?


that you Dick Cheney?
Posted by Scoobie
Member since Jul 2017
188 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 2:26 pm to
We are all so proud of you and your accomplishments
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56773 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 2:40 pm to
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So by your logic does a employee of Lockheed Martin pay taxes when they are working from government contracts? Bc that is where the money is coming from. What about contractors working on a federal highway?



That is my logic, yes. If you are paid through the means of taxation, then you can't pay taxes on those dollars.

Rather, the taxes one ostensibly pays aren't in any way meaningful towards overall expenditures.
This post was edited on 2/3/20 at 2:42 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 2:42 pm to
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That is my logic,


your logic is flawed, baw
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56773 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 2:43 pm to
I'm more than happy to be wrong. I just don't see how taxes paid on taxes distributed are anything more than a fiction on net pay.
Posted by BamaAlum02
Huntsville, AL
Member since Nov 2005
1109 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 2:43 pm to
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I'll even say people disabled due to crippling injuries suffered in the military.

No, I'm not talking about all these hollering "I've got PTSD."

I'm talking guys that got their legs blown off or lost their eyesight and things of that nature. .


There are government contract set asides for Service Disabled Veteran Owned Small Businesses (SDVOSB). While obviously this does not apply to every veteran and only those that are deemed disabled and own at least 51% of a small business, but there are programs in place to help them through the award of federal contracts.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 2:45 pm to
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but there are programs in place to help them through the award of federal contracts.


that and minority/women owned businesses too, ruined many a legit business when they came into play
Posted by MarinaTigerEsq
Member since Aug 2019
1330 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 2:51 pm to
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would you be for/against a complete exemption of federal income tax for U.S. military service members who have served active duty for a specified number of years?


No. They already get enough special privileges for choosing the best job available to them (which amounts to nothing more than defending the interests of the super elite in this country and defending child molesting Afghanis).
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
6349 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 2:55 pm to
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Military personnel are paid via taxes. They can't possibly contribute to tax revenue.

This is not to demean anyone, it's just a reality.

Anyone who receives their income from the federal government doesn't really pay federal income tax in a real sense.


They pay taxes in a very real sense --- the pay is deducted from their paycheck.

I get your point that they are not paying the federal gov't "new money" but they are paying them anyway.

As for military, no taxes while on active duty and no taxes on their pension. They should pay taxes on any non-military income they have.
Posted by rd280z
Richmond
Member since Jan 2007
2520 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 2:55 pm to
It is our taxes that already support the military, why is there a need for more? Some political hack behind this?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 2:58 pm to
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I'm more than happy to be wrong. I just don't see how taxes paid on taxes distributed are anything more than a fiction on net pay.


I think I get your point, but it's not a zero sum game.

In a very basic example, if a serviceman pays $5,000 in federal taxes on federal income of $65,000 (clearly just making up these numbers), he "costs" the government $60,000. If you waive those federal taxes, he "costs" $65,000.
Posted by PetroBabich
Donetsk Oblast
Member since Apr 2017
5174 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 3:01 pm to
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Not really, still in.

Were you a Fobbit?


I enlisted but didn't make it through basic training due to injury and emotional stress. I did get medically retired from basic training and so I get a very small retirement check each month.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 3:02 pm to
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I did get medically retired from basic training and so I get a very small retirement check each month.


God I hope you're joking
Posted by Wanderin Reb
Gallifrey
Member since Jun 2013
10738 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 3:02 pm to
Woo boy. You're a treat.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56773 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 3:04 pm to
That's why I said they just lie about pay.

As it stands, there is no tax revenue to be gained from personnel. It is just an accounting trick. A dollar gained or a dollar given away is all the same for the purposes of overall expenditure.
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
13206 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 3:09 pm to
Shouldn't pay income tax while on duty.

It's a volunteer force that represents roughly 1% of the population. Those that are most likely to be deployed into war zones to do war fighting are an even smaller portion.

We should all be happy to subsidize these folks while they're on duty.

When they retire, they rejoin the tax base. That said, their pensions should be taxed at the absolute lowest rate(s) possible, how ever formulated...
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 3:09 pm to
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We should all be happy to subsidize these folks while they're on duty.


we do
Posted by chew4219
Member since Sep 2009
3236 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 3:25 pm to
I’ll take that every single day.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 3:29 pm to
Damn baw. Thank you for your service! Don’t forget your discount at Lowes
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 2/3/20 at 3:31 pm to
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As it stands, there is no tax revenue to be gained from personnel. It is just an accounting trick. A dollar gained or a dollar given away is all the same for the purposes of overall expenditure.


Well you'd run out of money faster if you kept pay the same and waived federal taxes. It's not completely circular. If you tax them and they give it back to the government, your argument is they'll turn right back around and give it back to the servicemen. While true, that method stretches the money longer, even if it doesn't increase the total cumulative dollars paid.
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