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Posted on 11/19/25 at 3:53 pm to REG861
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FAFO
300,000 were Yankees.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 4:27 pm to RollTide1987
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The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here
Posted on 11/19/25 at 4:29 pm to RollTide1987
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his contemporaries considered the speech to be something of a flop at the time
That's because it accomplished nothing. Just empty words. That speech didn't free a single slave.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 4:45 pm to RollTide1987
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But say all we've done is show the world that democracy isn't chaos; that there is a great, invisible strength in a people's union
Killing people that want to leave a union that they willingly entered is in no way Democracy.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 4:51 pm to RollTide1987
OP missed his chance.
Thread title should have been "Eight score and two years ago..."
Thread title should have been "Eight score and two years ago..."
Posted on 11/19/25 at 5:51 pm to RollTide1987
We live in a different USA now Abe. Wonder what he would think about the culture nowadays?
Posted on 11/19/25 at 5:54 pm to RollTide1987
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our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure
Free the slaves in Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware, and Missouri, then old abe.
I'm willing to recognize the war had two issues/causes, but most are too proud or ignorant to do so. Not saying you are btw.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:29 pm to RollTide1987
"The Gettysburg speech was at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history…the highest emotion reduced to a few poetical phrases. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous. But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination — that government of the people, by the people, for the people, should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves." - H.L. Mencken
Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:35 pm to S
so you like marxists, tyrants and pervs
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:37 pm to RollTide1987
Military dictator that killed millions of Americans
Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:40 pm to CSATiger
Melt day 22,082
Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:45 pm to RollTide1987
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the greatest speech in American history
Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.
Now, I want to be very clear — (applause) — very clear up front: Not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA Republicans. Not every Republican embraces their extreme ideology.
I know because I’ve been able to work with these mainstream Republicans.
But there is no question that the Republican Party today is dominated, driven, and intimidated by Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans, and that is a threat to this country.
These are hard things.
But I’m an American President — not the President of red America or blue America, but of all America.
And I believe it is my duty — my duty to level with you, to tell the truth no matter how difficult, no matter how painful.
And here, in my view, is what is true: MAGA Republicans do not respect the Constitution. They do not believe in the rule of law. They do not recognize the will of the people.
They refuse to accept the results of a free election. And they’re working right now, as I speak, in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers to undermine democracy itself.
MAGA forces are determined to take this country backwards — backwards to an America where there is no right to choose, no right to privacy, no right to contraception, no right to marry who you love.
They promote authoritarian leaders, and they fan the flames of political violence that are a threat to our personal rights, to the pursuit of justice, to the rule of law, to the very soul of this country.
They look at the mob that stormed the United States Capitol on January 6th — brutally attacking law enforcement — not as insurrectionists who placed a dagger to the throat of our democracy, but they look at them as patriots.
And they see their MAGA failure to stop a peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election as preparation for the 2022 and 2024 elections.
They tried everything last time to nullify the votes of 81 million people. This time, they’re determined to succeed in thwarting the will of the people.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:48 pm to Breesus
In Truth though perhaps the greatest quote in American History from a sitting President is this one:
While our Country remains untainted with the Principles and manners, which are now producing desolation in so many Parts of the World: while she continues Sincere and incapable of insidious and impious Policy: We shall have the Strongest Reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned Us by Providence.
But should the People of America, once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another and towards foreign nations, which assumes the Language of Justice and moderation while it is practicing Iniquity and Extravagance; and displays in the most captivating manner the charming Pictures of Candour frankness & sincerity while it is rioting in rapine and Insolence: this Country will be the most miserable Habitation in the World.
Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Galantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
-John Adams, 1798
While our Country remains untainted with the Principles and manners, which are now producing desolation in so many Parts of the World: while she continues Sincere and incapable of insidious and impious Policy: We shall have the Strongest Reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned Us by Providence.
But should the People of America, once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another and towards foreign nations, which assumes the Language of Justice and moderation while it is practicing Iniquity and Extravagance; and displays in the most captivating manner the charming Pictures of Candour frankness & sincerity while it is rioting in rapine and Insolence: this Country will be the most miserable Habitation in the World.
Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition, Revenge or Galantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
-John Adams, 1798
This post was edited on 11/19/25 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:59 pm to RollTide1987
frick that slimy cocksucker.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:08 pm to Gee Grenouille
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That's because it accomplished nothing. Just empty words. That speech didn't free a single slave.
Interesting.
How many speeches did something by itself?
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:10 pm to RollTide1987
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The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here,
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:18 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:47 pm to S
no melt here
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