re: ABC has some important stats for the unvaccinated

I don't believe them.

RSV isn’t fatal in normal healthy adults fwiw

It’s the babies and toddlers that really struggle. It overwhelms their respiratory system. Most of the time because of the increased mucus production from the virus. Clogs them up so they can’t breathe.

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If the key is the vaccine… and I’m vaccinated…. Then why are they starting to push masks and shut downs again?

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A poster gave a solid answer to this at the top of page 4.

Those stats are inflated bigly.

if the media cared about the spread of COVID via the unvaccinated, why haven’t they bothered covering the thousands of illegal immigrants flooding this country every month?

Makes sense
So let's allow people to make their own decision and deal with it.
No more shutdowns, no more mask mandates. If people choose to be unvaccinated and roam about, they taking their own chances.

No Florida or Texas stats?!?


They never really shutdown.


What a joke all of this has become.

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Explain the wrong thinking in my post and break me of my brainwashing.

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Why dont all viruses that do not have a vaccine mutate into a deadlier form? Is that a trait specific to COVID19? Other forms of COVID have been around for hundreds of years and we have never had a vaccine to stop them from mutating into a super virus. My understanding is that a virus will evolve to become more contagious but less deadly as to propagate its DNA.

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My understanding is that a virus will evolve to become more contagious but less deadly as to propagate its DNA.

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This is far too broad a statement. Viruses are subject to selection pressures in the host which means that you can’t simply look at a virus and say it will increase or decrease its pathogenicity as a necessary facet of its survival as a matter of fact.

Firstly, you have to look at the mechanisms of the virus itself, the structure of its genome, and the relationship it has to other viruses in its family. The more numerous its near relatives has gives it ample chance for viral recombination, and doubly so if it has a segmented genome, like influenza. Secondly, some viruses have high degrees of pathogenicity, high degrees of virulence, and antigenic stability at likely epitope sites, and affected humanity for a long time, but they were pathogenic to a degree that limited their distribution, or they were transmitted fecal-oral and thus public health efforts like water filtration ultimately limited their spread, which you cannot reproduce for viruses that are spread through droplet or airborne transmission. In other words, those super viruses already exist, and it was through public health efforts (some of which Americans also resisted) that the prevalence of those diseases was reduced.

Thirdly, RNA viruses in particular are able infect a host, and see massive genetic variation within one generation, to a degree that would take DNA viruses 300k to 3 million generations to achieve due to a rather high error rate. This is called quasispecies, and gives RNA viruses quite sensitive environmental responses to host immune defenses and even medications. What the effect will be can vary, as whether you see death of the host at large depends in large part on what tissue is infected. The problems for the virus here is that it needs to retain that large genomic diversity to ensure variability is not restricted, otherwise these viruses are well-suited to adapted to selective pressures. Lastly, the overall effect for the host will be determined by how severe an immune response the antigens will elicit, as that was the mechanism for death of many people with H1N1 in the 1918 Spanish Flu, with another possible source being a concurrent bacterial infection that was potentiated by the PB1F2 protein, which further exacerbated the pro-inflammatory effect.

In addition, a high error rate can sort of box a virus in and limit its possible environmental sensitivity, but you cannot say that a virus decreases in its pathogenicity as a matter of fact, as viral pathogens have developed a number of workarounds that can lead to both continued viral propagation as well as severe disease.