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re: A little history on Viet Nam
Posted on 5/28/23 at 4:42 pm to chinhoyang
Posted on 5/28/23 at 4:42 pm to chinhoyang
If you want to see when men were men, google Gen Marion E. Carl!
Posted on 5/28/23 at 4:46 pm to supadave3
Posted on 5/28/23 at 4:48 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Arlington today.
If you get the chance, go to the cemeteries overseas maintained by the American Battlefield Monuments Commission. Normandy and a couple of others are well known, but sites like Nettuno (40m from Rome by train) and the site at Marne

(3 hrs by car from Paris, but a lot of Somme history is close by) are stunning sites.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:08 pm to JustDooIt
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8,283 were just 19 years old.
My uncle was one. August 1968.
Watched my dad live with the pain of losing his best friend at such a young age.
Memorial Day was always a somber time at our household while growing up
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:12 pm to JustDooIt
I often wonder what would the USA look like today if the draft was still in question and we didn't have an all volunteer force.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:17 pm to JustDooIt
My immediate family was lucky, I guess. None of them got drafted, but it sure as hell wasn't due to dodging or status. One of my Mom's brothers had a low draft number and they thought for sure he was going to get drafted. My Pops was the youngest son, graduated in 1969. He was spared because my grandad (his dad) died in '68, and Pops was the youngest son still living at home. His oldest brother, who was four or five years older than him suffered a terrible injury playing football his senior year, a compound external femur break that required multiple surgeries. He walked with a limp the rest of his life. That DQed him. The rest of the uncles just didn't get drafted.
My Pops and his brothers all went on to work at a chemical plant making a bunch of the shite used over there, though. Those were dangerous times to be in that line of work....virtually no standards and few fricks were given.
Respect and appreciation to the families of all those who made the greatest sacrifice.
I know a few who were over there, and there were more distant family members, two cousins, who didn't make it back.
My Pops and his brothers all went on to work at a chemical plant making a bunch of the shite used over there, though. Those were dangerous times to be in that line of work....virtually no standards and few fricks were given.
Respect and appreciation to the families of all those who made the greatest sacrifice.

This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:17 pm to chinhoyang
Marion Carl was well into his 90s when some POS broke into his home and killed him.
Carl was awarded the Medal of Honor in WW2 for shooting down 7 (if I recall correctly) Japanese planes on one mission.
Carl was awarded the Medal of Honor in WW2 for shooting down 7 (if I recall correctly) Japanese planes on one mission.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:22 pm to JustDooIt
Gotta get that bone spurs diagnosis.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:22 pm to USMCguy121
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the draft
No. I read enough from "About Face" to not collectively doubt draftees, but I also was around plenty of "volunteer" baws that were going to get me killed if given the chance. Maybe dudes between 17-22 aren't all that risk averse?

Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:26 pm to USMCguy121
supposed the Vietnam era conscripts made up the highest educated army we’ve ever had, not quite sure what means/proves, just thought that was an interesting stat
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:34 pm to UnoDelgado
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Gotta get that bone spurs diagnosis.
Or asthma.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:36 pm to Privateer 2007
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Lied about age. Enlisted at 14. Was a big kid apparently.
Jeez. That’s a 14 year old MAN right there. RIP soldier.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:38 pm to Lonnie Utah
There is nothing like visiting Arlington on Memorial Day. Very moving. The flags and roses on every grave.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:52 pm to Auburn80
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There is nothing like visiting Arlington on Memorial Day. Very moving. The flags and roses on every grave.
And Biden's speech. Don't forget that...
Posted on 5/28/23 at 5:56 pm to JustDooIt
quote:Rich man’s war
West Virginia had the highest casualty rate per capita in the nation. There are 711 West Virginians on the Wall.
Poor man’s fight.


Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:01 pm to JustDooIt
58,000 American lives lost so the military Industrial complex could make vast sums of money. Collateral damage.

Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:03 pm to Tigerbythetale
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58,000 American lives lost
And 51,000 died at Gettysburg in 3 days....
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:06 pm to JustDooIt
I'll be attending the Memorial Day service tomorrow at Western North Carolina Veterans Cemetary where my father is interred.
Among all Veterans, it is an absolute shame how they were treated upon return and for so many years after.
Welcome home.
Among all Veterans, it is an absolute shame how they were treated upon return and for so many years after.
Welcome home.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:17 pm to USMCguy121
That’s a very good question. The volunteer service men are true hero’s. If you had a draft starting with the Iraq war, I hate to see it but we would have not been as effective. The young generation starting in the 2000’s would want NO part in fighting for this country. Not that they don’t love this country, but what it would take to make them a true soldier. Boot camp would crush a lot of young men at that time. And since day 2010 it would be even worse.
Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:18 pm to Lawyered
I'm listening to that right now, too. It's intense. I have to take a break from it every so often.
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