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re: A hundred school shootings a year wouldn't change my mind
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:39 am to xxTIMMYxx
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:39 am to xxTIMMYxx
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Not sure why people downvote this. Over 100k people alone died last year from fentanyl
Why the frick should I care about fetanyl? I'll never try it and no one is forcing anyone to.
Big difference between willingly taking drugs and being an innocent child getting gunned down.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:42 am to ghost2most
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Why the frick should I care about fetanyl? I'll never try it and no one is forcing anyone to.
Big difference between willingly taking drugs and being an innocent child getting gunned down.
It's classic whataboutism. Oh no someone is saying things I don't like. Let me bring up this counterpoint that vaguely compares to the subject at hand if you remove all logic. Hopefully this will distract you from using words I don't like.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:45 am to Vamos Brandonos
My kids have always been homeschooled for many reasons....school shootings is just the latest one.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:45 am to ghost2most
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Big difference between willingly taking drugs and being an innocent child getting gunned down.
You realize that a large number of fentanyl overdoses have come from college students taking what they thought was adderrall, when in fact it was laced with lethal doses of fentanyl, right?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:45 am to BugAC
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Again, i'm asking you, as well as others, if you are so cynical about gun ownership, how do the innocent protect themselves from the predators? How do women protect themselves, without a gun?
I’m not sure why you’re asking me this. I haven’t advocated for banning guns. I think there’s a workable solution where the right to bear arms is protected while also making gun own ownership more restrictive. But I don’t think we ever get there because of people like OP that place their right to own guns over another person’s right to live.
But to your question, I think the vast majority of gun owners aren’t adequately trained or prepared to actually use a firearm for protection. It’s one thing to say this gun is for my protection, it’s quite another to quickly access that gun, chamber a round, turn off the safety, aim that gun at an assailant, and squeeze the trigger. Many people can adequately respond to that stressful situation, many others cannot. And statistics show that guns purchased for personal safety are more frequently used to intentionally harm someone, or injure someone in accidental discharges.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:46 am to mindbreaker
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It's classic whataboutism. Oh no someone is saying things I don't like. Let me bring up this counterpoint that vaguely compares to the subject at hand if you remove all logic. Hopefully this will distract you from using words I don't like.
No, it's exposing your myopic view. You only want to regurgitate "guns bad, no guns" but you ignore other things that are "bad" that account for far more deaths than guns, just so you don't have to acknowledge that you really only care about human life as long as it can be exploited to support a political agenda.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:48 am to The Spleen
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it’s quite another to quickly access that gun, chamber a round, turn off the safety, aim that gun at an assailant, and squeeze the trigger
You're doing it wrong.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:50 am to BugAC
We spend millions a year and have government agencies at all levels designed to combat fentanyl.
It’s an issue but not one that society isn’t at least trying to fix.
Saying “what about fentanyl” like it has some Wide support Is not relevant to the conversation.
It’s an issue but not one that society isn’t at least trying to fix.
Saying “what about fentanyl” like it has some Wide support Is not relevant to the conversation.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:51 am to BugAC
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You realize that a large number of fentanyl overdoses have come from college students taking what they thought was adderrall, when in fact it was laced with lethal doses of fentanyl, right?
Again, willingly taking some kind of drug. Prescription adderall isn't laced with fetanyl.
And why the frick are kids so in need of adderall? I've never had it and don't even really know what it's for.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:55 am to The Spleen
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I’m not sure why you’re asking me this. I haven’t advocated for banning guns.
I didn't say you did. I was addressing your cynicism about the argument. I'm aware of your previous responses.
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I think there’s a workable solution where the right to bear arms is protected while also making gun own ownership more restrictive.
The problem with this, IMO, is you are giving GOVERNMENT the power to determine who gets guns and who doesn't. Like it or not, a lot of people don't have faith in this government to do what is right. My personal feelings, is that i would like for everyone who owns a gun, to have basic knowledge of firearms. When i was a kid, my dad taught me about gun safety, and i took a hunter's education course. Today, a lot of kids aren't getting that instruction. However, i am cautious about telling the government to create a law mandating something. Because politicians are generally, only interested in expanding their power over people. I will not allow the DC bureucrats are the local pols hoping to be in DC chance to have more control over our lives.
2) i also think it would be prudent to ensure there was no history of mental illness for the gun purchaser. Which, there is laws now on the books (background checks) that require this.
But, of all of these things i would like to happen, NEITHER would have prevented what happened yesterday, or what will happen in the future. You can't legislate away bad intents.
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And statistics show that guns purchased for personal safety are more frequently used to intentionally harm someone, or injure someone in accidental discharges.
I'm going to need to see those statistics. 1) that's almost an impossible thing to quantify. 2) if this was a survey, or somethign required to be filled out to purchase a firearm, people could EASILY lie about why they want a gun. A person isn't going to buy a gun and check the box "i want to do criminal shite with it". Why else would they say they are buying a gun other than "personal safety" or "hunting". I would say damn near 100% of legal firearm purchases are for "personal safety" or "hunting" if those are the boxes to be checked. What you don't see quantified is the illegal acquisition of firearms. There are no check boxes to satisfy for criminal getting guns off the books, and no checkboxes for "i am lying just to get a gun".
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 8:58 am
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:55 am to BugAC
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No, it's exposing your myopic view. You only want to regurgitate "guns bad, no guns" but you ignore other things that are "bad" that account for far more deaths than guns, just so you don't have to acknowledge that you really only care about human life as long as it can be exploited to support a political agenda.
So in your twisted view point the people who want sensible gun regulations to prevent mass killings of kids only want it for their "political agenda" I bet you also claim to be "pro life" and have dropped some "save the children" hashtags too haven't you.
Guess what multiple things can be bad and once and multiple things can have multiple solutions
It isn't....and I can't stress this enough....A competition.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:56 am to BottomlandBrew
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Let me know how you plan to fight a 19 year old in a room 1000 miles with his hands on a joystick of a Predator drone. The sad truth is you are already outgunned by the government and no amount of .223 or 7.62 is going to save you. The sooner you accept that, the sooner we can have a meaningful dialogue about violence in American society.
Ask the Taliban. These sandal clad medieval peasants held off the US military for 20 years with mostly basic weapons. While you're at it, ask the Viet Cong who endured years of carpet bombings, napalm, Agent Orange, etc., while being mostly equipped with small arms. Didn't they beat the US too. By "beat" I mean both achieved their military objectives, while we did not.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:57 am to SammyTiger
Mental health checks should be required.
There can be an appeals process.
There can be an appeals process.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:59 am to The Spleen
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And statistics show that guns purchased for personal safety are more frequently used to intentionally harm someone, or injure someone in accidental discharges.
provide a link or logout. you won’t
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:59 am to Cosmo
quote:there aren't as many good people as you think there are.
We need MORE guns in the hands of good people
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:00 am to SammyTiger
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Saying “what about fentanyl” like it has some Wide support Is not relevant to the conversation.
Fetanyl, vehicular homicide, stabbings, drowning, non-mass shooting related deaths...it's all relevant. If "every child matters" then well, you need to be just as outraged over child death in every case. Only waiting for a mass shooting before you get outraged shows you really don't care much about the problem.
GUNS aren't the problem. Guns aren't sentient. Guns aren't aware. They are inanimate objects.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:01 am to mindbreaker
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sensible gun regulations to prevent mass killings of kids
Lay this out for us.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:02 am to Fat Harry
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Mental health checks should be required.
There can be an appeals process.
The American Academy of Pediatrics quietly removed 30 years of research about the importance of facial expressions on child development because it was a talking point about mask wearing
Multiple medical orgs told you your 5 year old needs to be vaccinated against a disease that has negligible impact on children when the data never supported it
Multiple medical orgs tell us that ingratiating the confusion of minors over gender by giving them irreversible treatment is healthy
Who are these bodies who will run the "appeals process"? It's a non-starter.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:03 am to mindbreaker
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the people who want sensible gun regulations to prevent mass killings of kids only want it for their "political agenda"
Yes, either that or it's a knee jerk emotional reaction with no actual thought behind it.
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I bet you also claim to be "pro life"
Yes. Which is why i support gun ownership.
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and have dropped some "save the children" hashtags too haven't you.
I'm too old to hashtag, sport.
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Guess what multiple things can be bad and once and multiple things can have multiple solutions
Ok. Then tell me exactly how "sensible gun regulations" which you haven't designed, would have prevented what happened yesterday. I want to know the law you propose, and what it would have done to prevent that kid from shooting up that school.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:06 am to BugAC
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I want to know the law you propose, and what it would have done to prevent that kid from shooting up that school.
A sensible gun control regulation that would have prevented the shooting yesterday.
Do you not understand what sensible means? It means a gun control regulation that would have prevented the shooting yesterday.
So we just create a sensible gun control regulation to prevent what happened yesterday from happening again.
Are you not tired of seeing innocent children die when we can prevent it with sensible gun control legislation?
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 9:07 am
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