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78 Years Ago Today: Operation Barbarossa
Posted on 6/22/19 at 4:51 am
Posted on 6/22/19 at 4:51 am
On June 22, 1941, Nazi Germany violated their non-aggression pact with the USSR and launched a massive full-scale invasion, starting the largest and most brutal single war between two countries in human history. This date marks the beginning of a total war, which Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin both considered to be a struggle for survival. The world will probably never see another war of the same size and scope of this war, with so many men, locations, weapons, etc, in play, not to mention the genocide. It truly was awful. RIP to all the young men who fought and died to serve the two evil dictators.
Some further reading about Barbarossa:
Some further reading about Barbarossa:
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June 22 marks the 78th anniversary of the launch of Operation Barbarossa, the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union. Although the initial offensive caught the Soviets completely by surprise, penetrating hundreds of miles into Soviet territory and netting hundreds of thousands of prisoners, the advance eventually stalled in the face of Soviet resistance and the onset of “General Winter.”
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In the days before the outbreak of World War II, Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin had concluded the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, a nonaggression treaty that secured Germany’s eastern flank and divided eastern Europe into German and Soviet spheres of influence. Stalin’s purge of the Red Army in 1937 had decimated the military’s high command, and the Soviets’ dismal performance against the heavily outnumbered Finns in the Russo-Finnish War (1939–40) had convinced Hitler that the Soviets were a threat that could be easily overcome. Indeed, the initial German successes seemed to support that conclusion.
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Those successes came too late in the campaign season, however. The June 22 invasion date was more than a month later than German planners had intended, as Italian misfortunes in Greece and a coup in Yugoslavia had caused a redirection of German forces to the Balkans. By the time Fedor von Bock’s army had reached the suburbs of Moscow, winter had set in. Army Group North under Wilhelm von Leeb had settled into a protracted siege of Leningrad, and German troops along the line of advance found themselves ill-equipped to battle both the elements and a group of increasingly competent Soviet commanders. Although Germany continued to press the attack until disastrous battles at Stalingrad (July 1942–February 1943) and Kursk (July–August 1943), the failure of the initial blitzkrieg to achieve its objectives before the onset of winter had effectively consigned Hitler to the same fate as Napoleon. Moscow was a marsh light that lured each would-be conqueror to his ultimate undoing.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 6:47 am to red sox fan 13
The amazing thing to me is the sheer size and brutality of the Eastern Front. As you said, there's been nothing like it before or since.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:01 am to red sox fan 13
Couldn’t imagine today’s 18-30 year olds fighting that war. I wish, I just wish that we could send AOC back in time to see what being in the shite is really like. Also, what concentration camps are, since she obviously doesn’t know?...
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:13 am to red sox fan 13
One of the best documentaries on it. Brutal time.
The Battle for Russia
The Battle for Russia
This post was edited on 6/22/19 at 7:15 am
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:18 am to red sox fan 13
Crazy to think that this was only 78 years ago. We live in such a completely different world today.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:20 am to whitetiger1234
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just wish that we could send AOC back in time to see what being in the shite is really like. Also, what concentration camps are, since she obviously doesn’t know?...
I second this. She is such a complete fricking moron.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:28 am to whitetiger1234
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just wish that we could send AOC back in time to see what being in the shite is really like. Also, what concentration camps are, since she obviously doesn’t know?...
Is she a holocaust denier? Serious question, I don’t know much about her other than being a congress woman from New York celebrating when NYC didn’t get the big Amazon HQ.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:30 am to red sox fan 13
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78 Years Ago Today: Operation Barbarossa
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June 22
If the date of your thread was May 15 as originally planned instead of June 22, it probably would have worked.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:36 am to Emteein
I’ve really, REALLY been trying to stop paying attention to politics because it seriously makes me depressed, but this story is fricking insane. She is comparing migrant camps on the southern border to Nazi concentration camps during WWII.
New York Post: Holocaust museum lectures AOC after ‘concentration camp’ remarks
New York Post: Holocaust museum lectures AOC after ‘concentration camp’ remarks
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:43 am to whitetiger1234
Had it not been for a couple harsh winters and Hitler himself.. The Germans actually almost defeated Russia.
Turning Guderian South to help the Southern Flank instead of taking Moscow was huge mistake...
I heard that the German equipment left at Stalingrad after their defeat... was 1/4 of ALL their total equipment... 1/4 of all... That's a huge amount of equipment.
Turning Guderian South to help the Southern Flank instead of taking Moscow was huge mistake...
I heard that the German equipment left at Stalingrad after their defeat... was 1/4 of ALL their total equipment... 1/4 of all... That's a huge amount of equipment.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:45 am to LSU Fan SLU Grad
And now the commies are celebrated.
But those red commies were more of men than the pathetic little shits that wear Che Guevara shirts now
But those red commies were more of men than the pathetic little shits that wear Che Guevara shirts now
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:48 am to TheChiznit
Thanks for sharing that documentary. I’m up in bed for 2 weeks after surgery so this will be nice to watch for a bit.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 7:51 am to red sox fan 13
This battle was lost to mother nature as much as it was to the Soviet Army. Winter in Russia is a mfer.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 8:27 am to whitetiger1234
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Couldn’t imagine today’s 18-30 year olds fighting that war.
You'd probably be shocked. 90+% would harden up real fast, now the last 10%...
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:47 am to red sox fan 13
Barbarossa compounded Hitler’s big tactical blunder. Did not subdue U.K. first. Got impatient, greedy, or more delusional. The two fronts were unsustainable.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 9:55 am to red sox fan 13
Happy Germany-ended-itself day!
Posted on 6/22/19 at 10:16 am to WWII Collector
My thoughts on Stalingrad. If you rely on your allies to protect your flank, you're asking for trouble. If you haven't got enough of your own troops to protect your flank, then you're probably in over your head.
People thinking taking Moscow would have been key are wrong . Napoleon did and it didn't work. Hitler knew that.
I think his army just wasn't up to the task. The soldiers were fine, but the didn't have the logistics or the offensive speed to overwhelm a country that large with roads that primitive.
He sure could have used the pilots and planes he wasted over Britain. Another strategic blunder.
People thinking taking Moscow would have been key are wrong . Napoleon did and it didn't work. Hitler knew that.
I think his army just wasn't up to the task. The soldiers were fine, but the didn't have the logistics or the offensive speed to overwhelm a country that large with roads that primitive.
He sure could have used the pilots and planes he wasted over Britain. Another strategic blunder.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 10:33 am to whitetiger1234
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Couldn’t imagine today’s 18-30 year olds fighting that war.
Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:34 am to JawjaTigah
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Barbarossa compounded Hitler’s big tactical blunder. Did not subdue U.K. first. Got impatient, greedy, or more delusional. The two fronts were unsustainable.
Further compounded by the fact that Hitler stupidly declared war on the U.S. days after Pearl Harbor thus sealing his fate.
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