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re: 737 Max grounding will extend into 2020 as more problems uncovered
Posted on 7/14/19 at 9:56 am to Cold Drink
Posted on 7/14/19 at 9:56 am to Cold Drink
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Posted on 7/14/19 at 9:57 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The 747 was revolutionary to air travel.
true
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The 777 and 787 are just good airplanes.
more than that baw, from a technology and efficiency standpoint, they have obsolesced their big bro by a long shot
Posted on 7/14/19 at 10:02 am to Meauxjeaux
If you want hydraulic control, you should at least know how to spell it.
You also realize that fly by wire is just like fluid control, right? Except amps are the fluid now and the hoses are much smaller and made of copper.
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I want hydrolics, cables and an experienced pilot crew.
You also realize that fly by wire is just like fluid control, right? Except amps are the fluid now and the hoses are much smaller and made of copper.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 10:05 am to subMOA
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Except amps are the fluid now and the hoses are much smaller and made of copper.
still need some muscle to actuate the flight controls, landing gear, brakes, reversers, etc., just save a lot of weight, and other things, by turning all cockpit controls into computer mice
Posted on 7/14/19 at 10:08 am to 777Tiger
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don't think scared is the right word, succumbing to market pressure maybe, Airbus flooding the market with KIA Optimas
Packing them in like sardines. 1,0000 on this thing
Posted on 7/14/19 at 10:08 am to goofball
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To be what they wanted it to be, the 737 needed an entirely new underbelly and landing gear. Instead of lifting it, they mounted the engines in front of the wing and gave the plane a natural nose-up tendency. They countered that with a flawed “auto stall” system that confuses inexperienced pilots and apparently doesn’t work very well.
That is exactly what an aviation lawyer told me
Posted on 7/14/19 at 10:09 am to 14&Counting
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aviation lawyer
Posted on 7/14/19 at 10:27 am to PipelineBaw
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Just crazy they're finding all these problems just by doing the basic digging they should've done to approve its flight in the first place.
Something tells.me that all planes would have several issues if gone thru like this one
Posted on 7/14/19 at 10:29 am to GeeOH
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Something tells.me that all planes would have several issues if gone thru like this one
You can down any aircraft on any inspection if you look hard enough.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 10:38 am to RedRifle
I can’t decide who I’m more pissed at:
Boeing for cutting corners and damaging their position as one of the premiere aircraft manufacturers (they were definitely etching away at airbus before all this)
Or the FFA, for not doing their jobs and certifying something they obviously didn’t test.
Boeing for cutting corners and damaging their position as one of the premiere aircraft manufacturers (they were definitely etching away at airbus before all this)
Or the FFA, for not doing their jobs and certifying something they obviously didn’t test.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 10:42 am to GeeOH
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Something tells.me that all planes would have several issues if gone thru like this one
I mean, I get the higher scrutiny of a complex system showing flaws always. Especially if the “flaws” are simply judgement calls the auditor disagrees with. Dealing with that is literally my job.
But given the frick ups that caused actual planes to crash which also passed through the actual process.....I’m inclined to give this stuff a little more credence.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 10:55 am to redstick13
Many don't know it but the 757 was one of the greatest airliners ever made.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 12:07 pm to cokebottleag
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manuals and paperwork for aircraft approval can go into the 1000s of pages easily,
Times that number by 1000 and you’re still probably low
I can’t imagine the FAA is just looking for problems to make a point - every issue uncovered is a bad look for them just as much as Boeing.
This post was edited on 7/14/19 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:25 pm to Furbs311
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:46 pm to Reservoir dawg
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Many don't know it but the 757 was one of the greatest airliners ever made.
Yep and Boeing shut the line down just a few years too soon. If ETOPS had been approved, they would probably still be making them. Nothing Boeing could have done about it.
The 737 is a great airplane but the obvious problem is they tried to do too much with it. Airlines hate training cost and not requiring a new type for the new models made the airlines want them.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 1:52 pm to hottub
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If ETOPS had been approved,
been flying those things across the pond for decades, never thought that was a good idea from a comfort standpoint, but they have the legs
Posted on 7/14/19 at 2:07 pm to 777Tiger
All I know is that if a domestic carrier plants a Max 8 into the ground the lawyers will eat Boeing and that carrier alive. They should bite the bullet and get a properly designed plane going.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 2:14 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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The 747 was revolutionary to air travel.
The 747 has been an amazing champion and vehicle for peace, commerce, knowledge sharing, exploring, families and societies connecting. It's a truly versatile plane as it carries cargo and revenue passengers in the world of commerce, transports our military when they don't have enough planes, protects and transports world leaders and enables them to work efficiently and survive.
The 747 truly shrunk the world by revolutionizing the airline industry and opened the world up to billions of people in the middle class and poor as well.
It's the greatest and most legendary aircraft ever built and most beautiful plane to ever fly. It's truly the GOAT airplane.
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The 777 and 787 are just good airplanes.
They're more than that.
They opened up new long haul routes and destinations that had demand but not nearly enough to justify assigning the 747 or A380 to them.
The 787 dreamliner made a route like New Orleans to London economical as British Airways sends a dreamliner to Nola like 2-4 times a week for a nonstop direct flight to London.
Without the dreamliner, Nola to london would be like Nola>Houston, Chicago or New York> And then London.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 2:25 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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The 747 was revolutionary to air travel. The 777 and 787 are just good airplanes.
I disagree. The 787 and 777 opened new markets that couldn't have otherwise been connected. Places like Pittsburgh and New Orleans couldn't have justified connections to London without the efficiency of the 787 (or the Airbus knockoff, the A350). You couldn't justify a nonstop from Atlanta to Jo-Burg or SE Asia without the 777.
The new 797 will push the envelope even farther for mid range, relatively thin trans-Atlantic routes. It will take the place of the 757 and 767, but be more efficient to operate. There's a lot of interest in a fairly small 240 seat twin jet that can go 4500 miles.
This post was edited on 7/14/19 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 7/14/19 at 2:35 pm to dewster
Meh. Ain’t nobody gonna be writing any books about the 777/787 like they did the 747. The 747 is iconic. The others not so much.
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