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Posted on 7/14/19 at 4:45 pm to Tiger Roux
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737 Max grounding will extend into 2020 as more problems uncovered
if you ever wondered what would happen when you fire a lot of experienced engineers and replace them with the cheapest foreign "engineers" you can find.
Its about making money. Developing systems for commerical aircraft is VERY expensive. All aerospace companies in the commercial aviation business look for ways to cut costs. The problem is you run into most of the experienced engineers who've worked on and supported these products for years retiring or being laid off, and the knowledge transfer to the engineers replacing them does not take place.
You cant just expect engineers with little to no experience, let alone being paid pennies on the hour in many countries like India or China, to come in, and develop these products, and expect the same level of robustness and quality. It just doesn't work like that.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 4:54 pm to boXerrumble
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Its about making money. Developing systems for commerical aircraft is VERY expensive. All aerospace companies in the commercial aviation business look for ways to cut costs. The problem is you run into most of the experienced engineers who've worked on and supported these products for years retiring or being laid off, and the knowledge transfer to the engineers replacing them does not take place.
You cant just expect engineers with little to no experience, let alone being paid pennies on the hour in many countries like India or China, to come in, and develop these products, and expect the same level of robustness and quality. It just doesn't work like that.
And this is why regulation for such a sensitive industry like commercial aviation is a must.
I'm very big on pro economic freedom deregulation but not for this industry where hauling sensitive cargo like millions of human lives tens of thousands of feet in the air and at 550 MPH takes place.
The cost cutters have to be checked by regulators every step of the way to make sure they don't endanger human lives.
Posted on 7/14/19 at 5:03 pm to boXerrumble
Another issue Boeing has is they got real complacent with the 737 and started working on a new aircraft (not a 737 replacement but I think something to come after the 787 or whatever).... Boeing pretty much just let the 737 'sell itself' while not trying to do much to improve it. Once the Neo came out Boeing said holy crap scrapped working on the new plane and started to try and write a 20 page essay the night before it was done.
When the Max came out or rather details of it it didn't seem to be some truly revolutionary product that was sooooo much better than the regular 800. While the engine/fuel consumption was better (but not some amazing amount), Boeing was also saying it would improve turn times (which it did not).
When the Max came out or rather details of it it didn't seem to be some truly revolutionary product that was sooooo much better than the regular 800. While the engine/fuel consumption was better (but not some amazing amount), Boeing was also saying it would improve turn times (which it did not).
Posted on 7/14/19 at 10:08 pm to hottub
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Yep and Boeing shut the line down just a few years too soon. If ETOPS had been approved, they would probably still be making them. Nothing Boeing could have done about it.
I thought the 757 was ETOPS for 180 mins.
Posted on 7/15/19 at 2:37 pm to Reservoir dawg
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I thought the 757 was ETOPS for 180 mins.
It is but when 270 and 330 were approved it made other aircraft more attractive for the NAT. I’m not sure it ever received more than 180 approval. I know it struggled west bound and had to divert quite a bit. My original post could have been more detailed.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:42 am to RedRifle
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