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re: 5 dead in small plane crash in Santa Ana, CA (dashcam footage) (local news story for me)
Posted on 8/6/18 at 2:45 pm to RedFoxx
Posted on 8/6/18 at 2:45 pm to RedFoxx
Gotta be ran out of fuel considering there was no fire and no fuel on the ground at the scene right?
That thing dropped straight out of the sky. Did I miss it or did they say who the pilot was? Sadly I'm guessing it was the dad and his family most likely?
That thing dropped straight out of the sky. Did I miss it or did they say who the pilot was? Sadly I'm guessing it was the dad and his family most likely?
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Posted on 8/6/18 at 3:02 pm to foshizzle
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No, it's two live bodies.
How could someone sleep right there at a time like this?
Posted on 8/6/18 at 3:05 pm to LaBR4
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I flew in a small plane once out of John Wayne Airport
I'm doing it in 2 weeks. Really makes you think.
Really though, I have no desire to see video footage of this kind of shite. Yikes.
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 8/6/18 at 3:09 pm to LouisianaLady
Photo of the plane via tail number lookup
Owned by: CATEGORY III AVIATION CORP, San Francisco
Built in 1973
Owned by: CATEGORY III AVIATION CORP, San Francisco
Built in 1973
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 8/6/18 at 3:43 pm to Reservoir dawg
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God bless 'em
Wouldn't it have been better to not let this happen in the first place? Or does he not have that power? If not, are there also limits to his "blessing" power? Does he only bless after accidents if others ask, or is automatic?
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 8/6/18 at 3:47 pm to emanresu
You're trying too hard
Posted on 8/6/18 at 4:27 pm to stapuffmarshy
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How the hell do you run out of gas in a plane? That's so stupid
John Denver did
Posted on 8/6/18 at 8:26 pm to castorinho
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How the hell do you run out of gas in a plane?
One should of course not run out of fuel.
Could have been put into a holding pattern due to traffic or weather or whatever. When a pilot reaches minimum fuel level, they should declare a fuel emergency and given priority landing clearance.
Perhaps the pilot was distracted by another issue and did not realize the fuel level. Perhaps faulty gauges. Perhaps it was not even a fuel issue and the tanks did not rupture.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 8:31 pm to BHM
Pilot I know with over 25k hours between commercial and private said it looked more like a cable snapped and the pilot could no longer get lift vs running out of fuel.
He said even out of fuel you wouldn't nose dive like a missile like that. You could still glide down to some degree.
He said even out of fuel you wouldn't nose dive like a missile like that. You could still glide down to some degree.
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:51 pm to stout
still can't get over this footage. fricking nosedive
Posted on 8/6/18 at 10:54 pm to stout
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You could still glide down to some degree.
and in this case, more likely than not, there would have been an ensuing fire if there was fuel on board
Posted on 8/6/18 at 11:12 pm to stout
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John Denver did
You could see Denver's fate being sealed before he took off. John Denver was flying a Burt Rutan designed Long-EZ aircraft, that he'd just purchased and flown only once before the crash. The fuel selector valve was installed in a impractical place behind the left seat shoulder by the previous owner.
He took off low on gas after the plane had burned through about 15-17 gallons on an earlier flight that very day. He crashed while flying over Monterey Bay trying to move the fuel selector valve to the opposite tank. The NTSB thinks he accidentally depressed the right rudder pedal trying to reach the handle and lost control of the plane.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 11:24 pm to stout
Absolutely some kind of control surface failure.
Fuel starvation doesn’t result in falling out of the sky unless he stalled out too early and went into a flat spin
Fuel starvation doesn’t result in falling out of the sky unless he stalled out too early and went into a flat spin
Posted on 8/6/18 at 11:43 pm to jcaz
Posted on 8/6/18 at 11:51 pm to JPLIII
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Is that really a brag?
You're right bruh. Louisiana >>>>> Cali
Posted on 8/7/18 at 7:50 am to CaptainPanic
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Those little planes are sketchy.
No they aren't. They're safer than riding in your average sedan or pick up truck. They're also required by the FAA to undergo rigorous inspections every year (or 100 hours if the plane is used commercially) to determine airworthiness. Additionally, at approximately 2,000 hours of engine time, the engines need to either be replaced or undergo a major overhaul.
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Between that and how easy it is to get a pilot’s license,
It's not that easy, particularly once to go for your instrument and commercial ratings, which are very expensive. You also have to be medically qualified to possess a pilot's license.
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I’d be a little nervous flying in one of those.
To each his own.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 8:01 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
That gave me chills.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 8:41 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
Cable snapped. frick
Posted on 8/7/18 at 12:42 pm to Lithium
Fuel issue for sure. Both engines going out at once pretty much guaranteed that. Like someone said, got too slow trying to stretch it to the airport and stalled and spun.
I’ve seen a 414 blow a rod out the side of one engine block and still land safely on one engine.
Fuel management is a major issue in lots of crashes. When you start trading fuel for passengers/luggage, you begin the spiral.
For IFR flights, the FAA only requires 45 minutes of fuel reserves past your alternate. That can get burned up pretty quick if you have to try a couple of approaches to get in or get stuck in holding in busy airspace. There is absolutely no penalty for declaring an emergency that doesn’t result in a crash. Minimum fuel should have been declared long before this point.
I’ve seen a 414 blow a rod out the side of one engine block and still land safely on one engine.
Fuel management is a major issue in lots of crashes. When you start trading fuel for passengers/luggage, you begin the spiral.
For IFR flights, the FAA only requires 45 minutes of fuel reserves past your alternate. That can get burned up pretty quick if you have to try a couple of approaches to get in or get stuck in holding in busy airspace. There is absolutely no penalty for declaring an emergency that doesn’t result in a crash. Minimum fuel should have been declared long before this point.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 2:26 pm to latech15
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I’ve seen a 414 blow a rod out the side of one engine block and still land safely on one engine.
From the little I have read about the Cessna 414 managing the fuel system seems pretty complicated, Six fuel tanks, crossfeed selectors for each engine, fuel pump high/low settings, transfer pumps, etc., but since there was no fire it seems the pilot somehow just ran it all dry.
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