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re: 45% of new grads who actually find jobs, are taking "no degree needed" jobs
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:19 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:19 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
The other two guys responded to your post, but yeah internships are the way to go in accounting. Then when you get your experience, your LinkedIn inbox gets flooded with recruiter e-mails.
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:20 pm to Epic Cajun
A lot of places don't care what job you had previously unless it was in that field. Cutting grass isn't gonna help you get a job as a CPA.
As far as the 3-5 years experience for an entry-level job goes....do they expect me to be working as an engineer in high school? And if I've been working for 3-5 years as an EIT, I sure as frick am not going to an entry level position that pays $45k/yr. Hell, that's enough time to become a PE. The problem is that HR people write the requirements. People that have no idea what the job entails or the responsibilities of the position. As far as they're concerned entry level = level 2 or 3. Companies are missing out on qualified candidates because of their BS requirements. That's why people take shite jobs.
I have plenty more relevant qualifications and experience than most people I'm in school with. My problem now is my GPA. I've been down to the wire twice now, and they chose not to hire me because of that
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I guess it's a good idea to hire some jack leg Indian with a 4.0 to fabricate things than someone with a lower GPA who has actual fabrication experience. FTR, I have worked with those jack legged Indians with perfect grades, and they are antisocial and cannot work without extreme supervision.
As far as the 3-5 years experience for an entry-level job goes....do they expect me to be working as an engineer in high school? And if I've been working for 3-5 years as an EIT, I sure as frick am not going to an entry level position that pays $45k/yr. Hell, that's enough time to become a PE. The problem is that HR people write the requirements. People that have no idea what the job entails or the responsibilities of the position. As far as they're concerned entry level = level 2 or 3. Companies are missing out on qualified candidates because of their BS requirements. That's why people take shite jobs.
I have plenty more relevant qualifications and experience than most people I'm in school with. My problem now is my GPA. I've been down to the wire twice now, and they chose not to hire me because of that
. I guess it's a good idea to hire some jack leg Indian with a 4.0 to fabricate things than someone with a lower GPA who has actual fabrication experience. FTR, I have worked with those jack legged Indians with perfect grades, and they are antisocial and cannot work without extreme supervision.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:20 pm to Hammertime
HR People suck at life.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:21 pm to Hammertime
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As far as the 3-5 years experience for an entry-level job goes....do they expect me to be working as an engineer in high school? And if I've been working for 3-5 years as an EIT, I sure as frick am not going to an entry level position that pays $45k/yr. Hell, that's enough time to become a PE. The problem is that HR people write the requirements. People that have no idea what the job entails or the responsibilities of the position. As far as they're concerned entry level = level 2 or 3. Companies are missing out on qualified candidates because of their BS requirements. That's why people take shite jobs.
This is why it is not what you know, it is who you know. I got my first job through networking, with zero experience.
Edit: not saying I knew any big whig or anything but I contacted the right person to set up a face-to-face meeting.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:21 pm to Kujo
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:23 pm to Nado Jenkins83
While I was typing that, I got an email from a MNC regarding my first degree and what I'm studying now 
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:24 pm to Kujo
"the world needs ditch diggers too, son"
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Many jobs that require degrees can be done by someone without one, and a little OJT.
Tons of them. Seriously, I feel like on the job training could replace 75% of what colleges and universities currently teach.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:25 pm to JumpingTheShark
quote:frick, I had the owner of an 1800 employee company call and tell HR to hire me. They wouldn't because of my GPA. They ended up closing the position after I interviewed 4 times
This is why it is not what you know, it is who you know
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:27 pm to Warfarer
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In one of my interviews it was clear from the beginning I wasn't getting the job when he kept harking on my inexperience in Accounting. I flat out asked the guy how the hell I was supposed to get experience for an entry level job and he literally told me to go volunteer somewhere for a year so I could get my foot in the door.
My nephew is a junior at Auburn in Finance. I told him his degree is fricking worthless without some experience. Not matter how long it takes you to finish your degree, getting a co-op or internship is key to getting a good job right out of college. He was fortunate enough to get an entry level job with a company last year working in the field. This year he will be on an audit team that travels around the country. If he can just finish out his degree with a reasonable GPA, he should have a good job waiting for him when he gets out.
All business majors should find a company to co-op or intern with. If not, I would advise learning a skill valuable to the industry you want to work in and using it to get in and work your way up.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:29 pm to Hammertime
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A lot of places don't care what job you had previously unless it was in that field. Cutting grass isn't gonna help you get a job as a CPA.
Get a job related to your field that doesn't require a degree, I thought that was understood when I said that I took a job that didn't require a degree to gain experience for a job that did.
I took a low level job that didn't require a degree, but was still relevant experience in my field.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:36 pm to Kujo
I don't have a degree or had any previous experience in operations when I got on. A degree may help you get noticed against a 19yo with no degree. Everyone I know that has a p-tech degree says they've learned more in 6 months in the field. As far as the safety council training that was mentioned, that's required but not a deal breaker. They will put you through the required training. Think about it, every single person that walks through the gate of any plant has basic osha, most have confined space and scaffold user. So just having that will not get you hired.
Best advise I can give you from a guy that worked for years as a contractor to where I'm at today, is to keep trying and don't give up. Politic when you go to a plant, put your name out there. Most plants that are not union hire ppl they know. The reason being is we find that more and more ppl can make a resume look good and do great in interviews but when it comes down to learning the unit and troubleshooting, they just can't cut it. Therefore, if you hire someone that you know/or someone recommended, chances are they will be better than the previously described person. Let me know if you still having problems getting on with a contractor and I will help you. My way of paying it forward.
Best advise I can give you from a guy that worked for years as a contractor to where I'm at today, is to keep trying and don't give up. Politic when you go to a plant, put your name out there. Most plants that are not union hire ppl they know. The reason being is we find that more and more ppl can make a resume look good and do great in interviews but when it comes down to learning the unit and troubleshooting, they just can't cut it. Therefore, if you hire someone that you know/or someone recommended, chances are they will be better than the previously described person. Let me know if you still having problems getting on with a contractor and I will help you. My way of paying it forward.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:38 pm to udtiger
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Thanks Obama for your shitty economy AND to the GOP Congress handing out HB1 visas like they are going out of style.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:42 pm to Kujo
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where's your plant?
Geismar
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:44 pm to Hammertime
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The problem is that HR people write the requirements. People that have no idea what the job entails or the responsibilities of the position. As far as they're concerned entry level = level 2 or 3. Companies are missing out on qualified candidates because of their BS requirement
this. if I had 2-4 years of experience, I wouldn't be applying for the entry level position, I'd be applying for the supervisory position at your company.
The people "with experience" who are applying to an entry level position are the ones who couldn't cut it at the previous place they worked.
So HR wants to hire someone who's proven to not be an asset and discards those who have the potential to be one.
It's like if the NFL didn't draft rookies....next year, we'd like to sign Bishop Sankey because he has experience over Fornette.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:45 pm to Kujo
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45% of new grads who actually find jobs, are taking "no degree needed" jobs
More than likely have 2.5 GPAs
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:45 pm to shiftworker
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Geismar
Hi neighbor
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:50 pm to Kujo
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Kujo
What's your current position? I've noticed your post in the past, am wondering if your in operations or not. Seems to me that one day your hating on operators because they "have it made" to applying for a operator job. And now your giving advice to a guy on how to get on as an operator.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:53 pm to Kujo
Most jobs out there don't require a degree.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 12:55 pm to Kujo
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Hi neighbor
Sup?
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