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re: 27,000 French soldiers were killed in combat on this day 110 years ago...
Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:13 pm to OldmanBeasley
Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:13 pm to OldmanBeasley
quote:Eh. This is an oversimplified answer, but the French should have known fighting in lines needed to be changed and was obsolete when they got destroyed during the Franco-Prussian war. The Germans quickly abandoned lines and were decimating the French. (There really was no need to be in a line when you aren’t using a musket because you didn’t need to stand there to load)
Tactics had not caught up with the new military technology of the time.
40+ years later France is over there still standing in their lines and Germany again wasn’t.
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:28 pm to RollTide1987
A senseless war fought largely because of “alliances” obligating countries to go to war to defend other countries. Europe has never recovered and the result is the madness we have over there now.
And no lessons have been learned about alliances. We just keep increasing the number of countries we are obligated to wage war for.
And no lessons have been learned about alliances. We just keep increasing the number of countries we are obligated to wage war for.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:57 pm to Shexter
Posted on 8/22/24 at 1:58 pm to RollTide1987
To wear this uniform, after some of your military historians watched Washington's sharp shooters, first hand, pick off British commanding officers in their bright red coats with stripes on the sleeve and fancy hats in dense wilderness in the late 1700s ?!? I'll never understand it. Something about history and idiots and things repeating themselves. By WW2 and the First Indochina war they finally started wearing green.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 2:41 pm to Gaggle
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The heads of state of Germany, England and Russia were all first cousins. And no one knows why they fought!
The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand of course! That’s what we were taught in school.
But it’s hard to fathom how that spawned into a continent wide war.
Maybe the cousins just decided they needed some population control and to test out some new military technology.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:03 pm to Gaggle
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The heads of state of Germany, England and Russia were all first cousins. And no one knows why they fought!
Kaiser Wilhelm was born with a withered arm and was insecure about it.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:37 pm to OldmanBeasley
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Tactics had not caught up with the new military technology of the time.
This. Generals in command using outdated tactics of full frontal attacks across vast areas of ground with the enemy firmly entrenched and having machine guns set up for full battlefield coverage with overlapping patterns to ensure total annihilation of the enemy.
Then long term living in trenches that were often filling with water when raining, human waste from the occupants and the diseases that brings paints a pretty bleak picture.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:43 pm to RollTide1987
To put that number into perspective, during the entire Vietnam war, the United States lost a little over 58,000 soldiers.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 3:58 pm to lsupride87
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yet will call the French pussies
I had the opportunity to fight along side the French Division Daguet in ODS. While we didn't see pitched battle my interactions and their performance suggested they were a modern professional army that I was not at all concerned with having on my flanks.
It was an as-hoc division made up of bits and pieces picked for ODS specifically and included units from their Foreign Legion. The FFL was a motley crew but you could look in their eyes or just watch them walk and you got a sense you were glad to be on their side.
If there were any surrender monkeys in that battle space it was definitely the Iraqis, but I could hardly blame them considering what came over the berm after getting pounded for weeks.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:55 pm to Honest Tune
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Did the shooters not notice the French waving their white flags?
Dipshit comments like this is what keeps me coming back to the OT. LMAO.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 4:59 pm to Pax Regis
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But it’s hard to fathom how that spawned into a continent wide war.
No it's not.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 5:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Bright red pants were a terrible idea.
It was so their enemies wouldn't see them bleed.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 5:20 pm to ClientNumber9
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 7:18 pm to Alpha Dawg
I would personally argue that the French's fighting performance at the Battle of Verdun in the First World War blows anything our military has ever done right out of the water.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 7:29 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 8/22/24 at 7:45 pm to BigBinBR
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40+ years later France is over there still standing in their lines and Germany again wasn’t.
And 20 years later France was still standing there making the same mistake. France went into WWII thinking it would be another static defensive war and Germany sliced through the Ardennes while France had their thumb up their arse in Belgium.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 8:04 pm to SloaneRanger
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A senseless war fought largely because of “alliances” obligating countries to go to war to defend other countries. Europe has never recovered and the result is the madness we have over there now.
And no lessons have been learned about alliances. We just keep increasing the number of countries we are obligated to wage war for.
There hasn't been a general European war for nearly 80 years, the longest mostly peaceful stretch since at least the 1700s. The senseless alliance has worked.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 8:05 pm to TheJunction
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Posted on 8/22/24 at 8:07 pm to ClientNumber9
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Read some WW1 history on the French military.
They continually lose.
Three times got their asses kicked by Germany, once by Vietnam.
Posted on 8/22/24 at 8:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The battlefields were fairly static so bodies just lay in fields and disappeared under churned-up earth. I cant imagine a worse hell than spending days, weeks and months in those conditions. All the while having to remain below ground surface.
My grandfather fought in World War I. He lived to 100 and remembered everything. Told me about moving up to new positions in mid July 1916 on the Somme. They found some nice soft ground so started to dig in. As soon as they broke ground, there was a terrible smell. Turned out to be shallow graves of German soldiers from earlier in the battle.
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