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re: 2/3 of teachers surveyed in Texas considering going peace out
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:17 pm to GreenRockTiger
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:17 pm to GreenRockTiger
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Too many aren’ts - plus compared to other starting jobs for recent graduates in bachelors of liberal arts, the pay is not that bad
Yeah. Starting salary generally isn’t the problem. It’s the progression. Unfortunately that’s what you tend to get when you just pay based on years experience. Other than being altruistic and a general good person there’s not incentive to be a good teacher.
A third year teacher busting their butt that’s an amazing English teacher gets paid less than a tenth year history teacher that’s given up and does the bare minimum
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 8:26 pm
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:24 pm to 3nOut
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Texas AFT is a liberal organization and polled its liberal members. This means the union polled a bunch of people in Austin, Dallas, Houston, and SA (liberal places) and they were unhappy. I’m willing to wager that 90+% of AFT members are liberal since it’s not a mandatory union.
Just visit the teachers subreddit for a peak into their minds
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:25 pm to GreenRockTiger
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I still don’t think this would work for orleans parish - in the 90s I was zoned Kennedy - I don’t think I really could’ve gone there
Where my husband is from down the bayou - the education is ok - public schools are safe but if you are not in that top 10% of the class you are basically ignored - so still a good environment but the education is mediocre
I think things like Magnet schools and STEM programs (I work in the latter and it is a good place to get an education) are great ideas, but I think maybe it is too late to change enough minds. Also, places like St. George (although I have some reservations about the long term result of balkanization) could make a positive difference if they ever get local public education.
The long term solution would be a societal one, though. Whether it is misguided Great Society programs or other factors, we have large segments of society which are not conducive to good education among other things.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:25 pm to LSUFanHouston
“Texas AFT President Zeph Capo said”.
—-consider the source. Of course the head of the Texas AFT UNION is going to complain.
Texas salaries are much higher than in LA and overall the public schools themselves are in much better shape than public schools in LA
—-consider the source. Of course the head of the Texas AFT UNION is going to complain.
Texas salaries are much higher than in LA and overall the public schools themselves are in much better shape than public schools in LA
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:29 pm to Methuselah
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Magnet schools and STEM programs
Agreed - these are good if the focus stays on education - students don’t need to know the teacher’s sexual preference(s) or pronouns
quote:not going to touch that will a ten foot pole
St. George
It’s hard to objectify education when it so subjective (pun intended)
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:31 pm to LSUFanHouston
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2/3 of teachers surveyed in Texas considering going peace out
What does a normal year look like? Feels like every teacher I know wants to quit every year
Did the great resignation hit them any differently?
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:33 pm to tylercsbn9
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Just visit the teachers subreddit for a peak into their minds
I did during the Chicago teacher debacle.
Truly sad. My wife is in teaching as her second profession after my kids got older. I am just as hard on the profession with her in it as I was before. Maybe even moreso now than before.
She had her first year during the pandemic recording live every single day. Her very first lesson of her first day was streaming.
One thing I’ve appreciated is her absolute disdain for for teachers trying to stay home or trying to keep kids in masks. I let her read articles or point her to the teachers subreddit and she loses her mind on these people.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:35 pm to deaconjones35
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Like 4 months off for summer instead of 3?
First of all, it’s 2 months…moron.
Secondly, it’s unpaid leave. We don’t get paid during the summer or Christmas or any other extended break.
Speaking for most teachers, I don’t know any who work a 40 hour week during the school year. And I definitely don’t know any teachers that show up on the first day of school to get their classrooms ready and start the year. BTW, that’s when teachers start getting paid.
Teachers aren’t all about higher pay. More like less stress. Most of y’all couldn’t do shite with your kids for two and a half months back in 2020. Be grateful that their are so many college educated individuals willing to teach them for 9 months.
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:39 pm to cheobode
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Sometimes she didn't leave until 9pm, but her weekends were free to do whatever she wanted.
So she worked 5 extra hours on Fridays, and some teachers work 5 extra hours on weekends.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:40 pm to Jcorye1
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Come handle a couple of accounting busy seasons
You will have to provide a link to where I shite on accounting.
Look real hard, and after you can’t find anything, you can kindly:
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:40 pm to mays
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Alvin ISD south of Houston starts 1st year teachers at $59,500.
Alvin ISD
10-month contract in Houston ISD gets a first-year 56,800.
HISD
Goose Creek ISD (Baytown) gets you $59,500 first-year.
Goose Creek
These are not poverty wages.
They are not poverty wages.
They also aren't high achiever wages.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:43 pm to LSUFanHouston
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They are not poverty wages. They also aren't high achiever wages.
When I entered the Texas education workforce in 2006 the average was $27 -30k
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:45 pm to alajones
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Secondly, it’s unpaid leave. We don’t get paid during the summer or Christmas or any other extended break.
Do you call the off-season unpaid leave for athletes? You catch a salary, how you want to consider it spread is up to you… you are paid as a full employee
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:47 pm to GRTiger
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Where are all these unproductive, awful, borderline idiots in school admins coming from? Like what were they before a school admin? What is their educational background?
Most places to be eligible for administration, you need a master's degree in education, and three years as a teacher. That's it. Now usually, people are first an assistant principal, before they become a principal.
But almost every administrator I know... and I know a number of them because my wife is a teacher... they all became admins after three years.
Except one. Actually it was a teacher of mine when I was a kid. She's an awesome teacher. She ended up going to UNO at night to get her masters over 5 years. After she got it, she got a job as an AP. Two years later, she went back to the classroom and has never left again. She hated administration.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:48 pm to go ta hell ole miss
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For people with any means it will be private schools. Also, Small groups will be taught by a Tudor type people. More one on one, cheaper and way better teaching. It is becoming more popular after Covid.
We will never stop funding public education. Not happening.
Now some have said... everyone should get a voucher.
Go ask the paying tuition parents who send their kids to a Catholic School that accepts vouchers... how that is working out for them.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:49 pm to LSUFanHouston
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And it's not even about money.
The text that you quoted says otherwise
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:51 pm to LSUFanHouston
Texas has 320,000 teachers. Texas AFT has 66,000 members.
https://www.texasaft.org/ Not what the rank and file thinks. Sorry to piss in your chili.
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About Us Texas AFT is a statewide union with 66,000 members, including ...
https://www.texasaft.org/ Not what the rank and file thinks. Sorry to piss in your chili.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:52 pm to theGarnetWay
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However, as someone alluded too teachers act like so many other professions don’t also include extras duties outside of what most people think they do.
Hell, many schools give teachers a specific free period to work on these types of things. What other job does this?
This is weird. I would think most people understand that teachers have to grade tests and homework, and they can't do that while they are standing in front of a classroom, teaching kids.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:54 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Go ask the paying tuition parents who send their kids to a Catholic School that accepts vouchers... how that is working out for them.
When my kids still attended school, their school accepted 4 voucher students. 2 were in one of my kid’s class - neither were in honors (understandable since they came from failing schools) and one was bad as hell and asked not to come back
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:55 pm to imjustafatkid
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These people have no marketable skills. They can't do anything else.
Stop pretending teachers do something amazing.
Holy crap.
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I should clarify that my comment mostly applies to English, foreign language, PE, band, history, choir-type teachers.
Given how badly our nation's language skills are... I'd say we need more of this, not less.
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