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re: 11 day difference between Italy and the US

Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:37 pm to
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
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Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:37 pm to
Cute chart

However the information is worthless
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:37 pm to
I can’t believe so many people in this thread are freaking out about this chart
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
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Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:38 pm to
Screw off dude. You have added nothing in recent days.
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:38 pm to
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don't see anything about population density in there. Seems like an awfully large factor to leave out.


It is and it's called a confounding variable.
Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:39 pm to
Oh certain people don’t want to hear that we are doing well and will be fine. It’s almost as if the virus has been politicized! Crazy huh
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:41 pm to
First, we are taking protective measures like closing schools etc. much earlier than Italy did. Italy did not prohibit public gatherings and close schools until March 5th. We have been moving in that direction for three days which would leaves 5-8 days ahead of the Italians which is statistically incredibly significant.

Second, we have five times the population.

Our curve will flatten (as intended by all these closures) and our deaths will remain much, much lower per capita.

This post was edited on 3/13/20 at 1:45 pm
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:44 pm to
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Given our massive difference in population size and makeup oh, we're doing pretty well



We haven't tested shite so our numbers are significantly higher than that graph shows. And the population size is less relevant when you consider that the virus is spreading at the same rate. It just means that it will continue to accelerate and our final numbers will be much higher than Italy. We don't know if it will be 5 times their final numbers, but the pattern it real.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:45 pm to
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Holy shite


how is this much difference than any other virus that has been spread since the dawn of man?
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116137 posts
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:46 pm to
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nd the population size is less relevant when you consider that the virus is spreading at the same rate


But it’s not
Posted by El Tigre Grande
Bayou Self
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:46 pm to
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Given our massive difference in population size and makeup oh, we're doing pretty well


THIS
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
32045 posts
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:46 pm to
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First, we are taking protective measures like closing schools etc. much earlier than Italy did. Italy did not prohibit public gatherings and close schools until March 5th. We have been moving in that direction for three days which would leaves 5-8 days ahead of the Italians which is statistically incredibly significant.

Second, we have five times the population.

Our curve will flatten (as intended by all these closures) and our deaths will remain much, much lower per capita.



This post was edited on 3/13/20 at 1:48 pm
Posted by Malik Agar
Member since Nov 2012
12076 posts
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:47 pm to
They also have a much higher population density, have an older population, and haven't taken the levels of prevention that we have.








I hope we end up better off.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:48 pm to

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how is this much difference than any other virus that has been spread since the dawn of man?


It’s a combination of being moderately contagious and moderately fatal.

There have been worse pandemics in terms of total results but this will be up there until you get to the 1918 Flu.

Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49380 posts
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:50 pm to
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much higher population density


I do think that is something worth discussing when this is all over. The US catches a lot of criticism because we are not densely populated and do not have these mega cities. But I think that will end up working out in ur favor.
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
5578 posts
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:51 pm to
quote:

First, we are taking protective measures like closing schools etc. much earlier than Italy did. Italy did not prohibit public gatherings and close schools until March 5th.


The curve is 11 days of difference. Italy annouced on 3/4 they were closing schools. Louisiana (not the whole US) announced today they are closing schools which is. LA is 9 days behind Italy. Other states may be further behind.

quote:

We have been moving in that direction for three days which would leaves 5-8 days ahead of the Italians which is statistically incredibly significant.


It's been less than 48 hours since significant closures have been announced. Not all states have announced closures either which makes your 5-8 days very inaccurate.
This post was edited on 3/13/20 at 1:53 pm
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
21907 posts
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:52 pm to
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Given our massive difference in population size and makeup oh, we're doing pretty well

That was my initial reaction too


What’s the rate of testing over there though? because we are way behind in the states
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:52 pm to
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Italy has 20% of our population though


We also have more space. You can't compare them apples to apples. We have more opportunities for additional hotspots to show up. Seeing that growth curve similarity is pretty interesting.

It would also be interesting to see how many tests were administered by each country over that same period. The numbers are very likely low due to lack of testing as much as lack of infections.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116137 posts
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:53 pm to
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We also have more space. You can't compare them apples to apples. W


Well I don’t think he’s the guy who made the graph
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

Given our massive difference in population size and makeup oh, we're doing pretty well


Given that the population density is much higher in Italy, thus transmission being easier, I'd say we're doing pretty poorly.
This post was edited on 3/13/20 at 1:55 pm
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:54 pm to
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Wow. Hope we do a better job at containing the spread

We won't unless we do today what Italy only just started doing.
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