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re: Why all the hate on Mingo?
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:09 am to Cajun Revolution
Posted on 4/25/13 at 11:09 am to Cajun Revolution
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But he's so damn raw
How in the world is he raw? The only player with more production at a similar position is Jarvis Jones. And career wise, Mingos accomplishments speak for themselves.
Jordan only had a few sacks.
Ansah hardly played last year.
But Mingo is the one who's raw?
Think before you post man.
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Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:05 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:
How in the world is he raw? The only player with more production at a similar position is Jarvis Jones.
only one person coming out had more than 4.5 sacks?
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:07 pm to Jazzbass13
- cant add weight
- bad body for a pass rusher
- only has 1 pass rush move
-poor strentgh
- no leverage
- bad body for a pass rusher
- only has 1 pass rush move
-poor strentgh
- no leverage
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:15 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
- cant add weight
- bad body for a pass rusher
- only has 1 pass rush move
-poor strentgh
- no leverage
But yet every nfl scout projects him as a top 15 pick, go figure.
You made it sound like half this board is better than Mingo, yet he's got more athletic talent in his left foot than half these people.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:17 pm to Fight4LSU
he has upside, but he's risky
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:21 pm to Lester Earl
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he has upside, but he's risky
Almost the entire draft this year is risky. This has to be the most equal, talent wise, draft in quite a while. The parity of the players from 10-31 are so close that any of them could really go anywhere, it just depends on the needs of the team at the time.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:22 pm to Lester Earl
would rather have an interior lineman on defense than Mingo...
I think we have just as many questions there as we do with the outside rushers.
if you could somehow build a decent interior rush, it could help the outside immensely I think
I think we have just as many questions there as we do with the outside rushers.
if you could somehow build a decent interior rush, it could help the outside immensely I think
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:30 pm to Fight4LSU
quote:
But yet every nfl scout projects him as a top 15 pick, go figure.
how are you privy to every scout's rankings?
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:38 pm to Lester Earl
gallette agrees
quote:
NuLa C.E.O.?@JuniorG9313m
#Mingo Is Very Athletic Good Player Just don't understand the 4.5 Sacks As Everydown Guy #Jones Is A Flat out #BALLER
NuLa C.E.O.?@JuniorG9311m
Me @MartezWilson95 + #VictorB Are Going 2 Hold It Down 4 PassRush But U Can Never Have 2 Many Rushers #Jones Has My Vote
NuLa C.E.O.?@JuniorG933m
They talk bad about #Jones 40 #PaulKruger Ran 5.0 #JamesHarrison Ran 4.9 All about #GetOff and #HandViolence in #NFL
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:40 pm to Lester Earl
I'm in the group who thinks Mingo isn't a top 15 pick. He's a hit or miss IMO. His god given talent is undeniable, but he needs a lot of fundamental development. Too risky for a top pick. He can definitely prove the haters wrong though.
Im still baffled on how little weight he added during his three years at LSU.
Eh. He is long and fast. If he were a little stronger/heavier he'd have all the pass rushing tools. 2 of 3 ain't bad.
Agree. He relies way to much on his speed. It worked in college but it'll be exposed in the NFL. But he can work on technique and develop, right?
Agree. He does make up for it with his elite speed and athleticism but then again so will his opponents.
This will hurt him and if that doesn't change then it will keep him from being an every down LBer.
quote:
- cant add weight
Im still baffled on how little weight he added during his three years at LSU.
quote:
- bad body for a pass rusher
Eh. He is long and fast. If he were a little stronger/heavier he'd have all the pass rushing tools. 2 of 3 ain't bad.
quote:
- only has 1 pass rush
move
Agree. He relies way to much on his speed. It worked in college but it'll be exposed in the NFL. But he can work on technique and develop, right?
quote:
-poor strentgh
Agree. He does make up for it with his elite speed and athleticism but then again so will his opponents.
quote:
- no leverage
This will hurt him and if that doesn't change then it will keep him from being an every down LBer.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:45 pm to Cajun Revolution
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who would you see Mingo compared to- if say he develops.
Full development he's Elvis Dumervil
Scouts I've read say he played out of position, but stuck on the DL because of his skill set, the ONLY reason he has been discussed as a Jack OLB is because of how well he did standing up (in Pro day etc) and how agile he is
Full development would see him getting a lot stronger and more explosive (I ACTUALLY think he has more of a skillset than Jarvis Jones, if he played OLB in college in a 3 man front primarily like JJ did, his production would've been ridiculous)
I wouldn't be shocked at all if the Jets did pick him and groom him for the OLB position, it'd take a year to learn but sky is the limit for him in terms of production
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:46 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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How in the world is he raw? The only player with more production at a similar position is Jarvis Jones. And career wise, Mingos accomplishments speak for themselves.
Mingo has limited technique. I don't know what to tell you. He got tied up at the line half the time playing pattycake with 350 lbers.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:47 pm to Cajun Revolution
Mingo can be a bust if not used schematically correct nor coached up a bit more.
Mingo could be a top 5 sack guy in the league if ideally used.
Mingo could be a top 5 sack guy in the league if ideally used.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:47 pm to BuccWildBammer
quote:
Elvis Dumervil
Elvis Dumervil is short, stocky and quick.
Mingo is long, lean and quick.
I clearly see how you drew this comparison.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:48 pm to Mouth
full disclosure though if the Jets pass (or if pass rushers slip down the board, very likely given the top heavy OL talent in this draft) he freefalls to a team in the late 1st
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:48 pm to BuccWildBammer
quote:
full stupidity though if the Jets pass (or if pass rushers slip down the board, very likely given the top heavy OL talent in this draft) he freefalls to a team in the late 1st
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:49 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
Mingo could be a top 5 sack guy in the league if ideally used.
Great. Let the Jets take him. The Saints need production and quality starters at several key spots...not a bunch of maybes.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:49 pm to Cajun Revolution
height doesn't matter to me I was going off strictly athleticism and skillset, they are very similar
Posted on 4/25/13 at 12:52 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
-poor strentgh
- no leverage
Disagree, Against Bama he was matched up on Fluker and Mingo was constantly moving Fluker back. No sacks but i think that was due to Scheme that day. Mingo was asked to set the edge and not to run himself out the play. His bull rush on a couple of occasions has gotten him a sack. He will as weight and plus in a 3-4 he will be matched up on a TE alot of times.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 1:22 pm to Mouth
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Im still baffled on how little weight he added during his three years at LSU.
It's simple. Last year about this time he got some kind of virus, lasted a few months and he lost 15-20 pounds. He barely had any time before the season started to regain the weight. Gaining weight is mainly done in the off season, because he got sick the opposite happened.
BTW he gained 40 pounds while at LSU. He'll probably top out around 250, which is plenty for an OLB
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