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Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:30 pm to mm2316
Jordan
2012* Oregon Pac-12 SR DL
Sol 26 Ast 18 Tot 44 Loss 10.5 Sacks 5.0 PD 1 FF 3
Mingo
2012* Louisiana State SEC JR DL
Sol 21 Ast 17 Tot 38 Loss 8.5 Sacks 4.5 PD 3 FF 1
HUGE difference there!
Sophomore/Junior season Mingo had better stats.
ETA: And Mingo did this in the SEC vs the PAC.
2012* Oregon Pac-12 SR DL
Sol 26 Ast 18 Tot 44 Loss 10.5 Sacks 5.0 PD 1 FF 3
Mingo
2012* Louisiana State SEC JR DL
Sol 21 Ast 17 Tot 38 Loss 8.5 Sacks 4.5 PD 3 FF 1
HUGE difference there!
Sophomore/Junior season Mingo had better stats.
ETA: And Mingo did this in the SEC vs the PAC.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:32 pm to Lester Earl
quote:This is true but I also believe some guys who have trouble putting on weight in college finally develop fully in their mid to late 20s. Happens a lot in basketball. Not saying it will for sure happen but I could see Mingo putting on some weight down the road after a few years of NFL weight training
He's the smallest one on that list, after after 4 months of strenuous training to put weight on. A lot of guys drop weight in hopes of quicker times. So It's hard to compare when you have a guy like Mingo trying to gain weight. Even with that being said, Ware at 251 compared to a near maxed out Mingo simply isn't comparable. That is a huge discrepency- 10lbs
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:38 pm to Sho Nuff
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HUGE difference there!
Did you not read what I wrote? Just because they have similar stats, doesn't make them virtually the same person.
I'm not arguing for one over the other, but like I said- Jordan was asked to cover TEs and WRs a lot in college, which is an advantage to him over Mingo when it comes to playing OLB (and has the height advantage to cover TEs and WRs in the NFL).
Looking at their stats is no indication of them as a player. Jordan even played with a hurt shoulder for most of the second half of the season (and missed a game because of it). You are an idiot if you think you can look at their stats and tell if they are the same player or not.
But hey, don't take my words for it- take the scouts' and teams' word for it that have Jordan going before Mingo.
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ETA: And Mingo did this in the SEC vs the PAC.
I'm surprised it took that long. Like I said, I'm not arguing for one over the other, and SEC does have better defenses than the PAC 12, but now SEC offense are so much better than the PAC that their stat numbers mean more? Shouldn't it be a better reflection on Jordan being that he didn't have as much talent around him, and still put up slightly better numbers?
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:42 pm to Lester Earl
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Ware at 251 compared to a near maxed out Mingo simply isn't comparable. That is a huge discrepency- 10lbs
So Mingo's maxed out (in your expert opinion) and Ware was just sitting at home watching General Hospital and remembered, "Oh yeah, I got that combine thingy tomorrow." Dumb argument. They all gain and lose weight for the combine. Either to run faster or bulk up or whatever.
EX:
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The 6-foot-6 Jordan came out of Gaines' laboratory at 250 pounds, up from his playing weight of 226. Then, he went to the scouting combine in late February and ran a 4.6 official 40-yard sash with a 1.57-second 10-yard split -- absolutely freakish numbers for someone at his height, especially with the extra weight.
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"I don't know how he played football at 226 pounds," Gaines told me.
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Mingo said on NFL AM. “I’m weighing 245 now. I played most of the season at 230.”
Despite that weight gain, Mingo says he has actually gotten faster, and he wants NFL teams to know he’ll be able to play either defensive end or outside linebacker in the pros.
BTW, Demarcus Ware at the Senior Bowl was 6-4 232lbs LINK and at the combine he weighed in at 6-4 251 lbs LINK
Von Miller at the Senior Bowl weigh-in was 6-2 1/5 237lbs LINK and at the combine he was 6-2 1/5 246lbs LINK
CHUBBY CHASERS!!!
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:47 pm to mm2316
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Looking at their stats is no indication of them as a player.
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Jordan even played with a hurt shoulder for most of the second half of the season (and missed a game because of it).
Mingo had injuries and sickness too and was a reason he was so light in the beginning of 2012.
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You are an idiot if you think you can look at their stats and tell if they are the same player or not.
You're an idiot if you look at 2 players playing the same position and think stats don't matter.
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[quote]But hey, don't take my words for it- take the scouts' and teams' word for it that have Jordan going before Mingo.
Wow, I didn't realize that! That's what I'm talking about. It's crazy the love Jordan is getting and they had the same combine, similar stats in college.
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Shouldn't it be a better reflection on Jordan being that he didn't have as much talent around him, and still put up slightly better numbers?
It could. But remember, Mingo was playing out of position. Personally, I think they're both going to do fine and don't see much difference and in a few years we'll know. I just don't get the hate for Mingo on these boards.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:49 pm to Lester Earl
I'd take Mingo in a heartbeat. Dude will be a boss on whichever team he lands.
frick the haters.
frick the haters.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:50 pm to Suntiger
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BTW, Demarcus Ware at the Senior Bowl was 6-4 232lbs LINK and at the combine he weighed in at 6-4 251 lbs LINK
Von Miller at the Senior Bowl weigh-in was 6-2 1/5 237lbs LINK and at the combine he was 6-2 1/5 246lbs LINK
Quit giving the haters facts, they're opinion is worth more!
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:51 pm to Sho Nuff
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You're an idiot if you look at 2 players playing the same position and think stats don't matter.
Did you watch any Oregon games last year, or at least what I've been typing out for you in the last two posts about Jordan dropping in coverage a lot more than Mingo? Apparently you aren't. Just because they were both listed at "DE", doesn't mean they were asked to do the same things. Oregon ran a hybrid 3-4 defense, in which Jordan dropped back and covered a TE or WR. How many times did Mingo do that at LSU?
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:52 pm to Lester Earl
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I'd rather Mingo
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:53 pm to Suntiger
Ware was 247 at the SR bowl
Official measurements
As for Von Miller, he's 6'2". He carries 237lbs different than someone 6'4". I'm amazed I have to explain this stuff.
I'm not even sure what you are trying to say. Mingo has never ever ever weighed this much. Ware was 10lbs heavier at this point in time.
10lbs is a huge head start against a guy like Mingo that cannot sustain his weight during football season. Or even get above 240 in the offseason.
Official measurements
As for Von Miller, he's 6'2". He carries 237lbs different than someone 6'4". I'm amazed I have to explain this stuff.
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So Mingo's maxed out (in your expert opinion) and Ware was just sitting at home watching General Hospital and remembered, "Oh yeah, I got that combine thingy tomorrow." Dumb argument. They all gain and lose weight for the combine. Either to run faster or bulk up or whatever.
I'm not even sure what you are trying to say. Mingo has never ever ever weighed this much. Ware was 10lbs heavier at this point in time.
10lbs is a huge head start against a guy like Mingo that cannot sustain his weight during football season. Or even get above 240 in the offseason.
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:55 pm to mm2316
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Did you watch any Oregon games last year, or at least what I've been typing out for you in the last two posts about Jordan dropping in coverage a lot more than Mingo? Apparently you aren't. Just because they were both listed at "DE", doesn't mean they were asked to do the same things. Oregon ran a hybrid 3-4 defense, in which Jordan dropped back and covered a TE or WR. How many times did Mingo do that at LSU?
I watched every Oregon game. I live in Hawaii and they show more PAC here. What you got next?
What part didn't you read about Mingo playing out of position? You act like I'm dissing Jordan when I think those guys are like a 1a and 1b type player. Mingo is the same prototype OLB that Jordan is and that's what he can/should be doing as well. Dropping into coverage on TE's if needed. Jordan and Mingo are the types of guys that are needed for TE's like Graham/Gronk.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 3:58 pm to Lester Earl
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Ware was 247 at the SR bowl
So you think 6 lbs is some crazy difference? Really?
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As for Von Miller, he's 6'2". He carries 237lbs different than someone 6'4". I'm amazed I have to explain this stuff.
Hilarious. Yet people who are jocking Jordan (not you) who is almost 2 inches taller than Mingo and weigh 7 lbs more isn't different?
The simple point being made is Mingo isn't small or light. If you think he is, then you should think Ware, Miller, and Jordan are too.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:00 pm to Sho Nuff
As a homer, I would love Mingo, and if we draft him, i will defend him no matter how big a bust he is. Just seems like he would've balled out in at least one game with like 4 sacks against one of the smaller schools.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:06 pm to Sho Nuff
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I watched every Oregon game. I live in Hawaii and they show more PAC here. What you got next?
Than apparently you didn't pay attention if you think Jordan and Mingo are the same player.
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What part didn't you read about Mingo playing out of position?
I read that, but that has nothing to do with my argument at all.
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You act like I'm dissing Jordan when I think those guys are like a 1a and 1b type player.
I never acted like that at all. My whole argument is that you can't look just at a player's stats and say they are the same player.
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Dropping into coverage on TE's if needed. Jordan and Mingo are the types of guys that are needed for TE's like Graham/Gronk.
Even if you and everyone else think he can cover well, he didn't do it like Jordan proved he could. Jordan's size is also an advantage for him, when it comes to covering the Graham and Gronks of the league.
This is the part of the argument where it goes nowhere, because neither of us are backing down from our stance. Have a great day.
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:06 pm to Sho Nuff
Ware was 10lbs heavier at this point in time. 6lbs more at the SR bowl. 10 at the combine. Probably 25 at this current time.
I don't give a shite about Jordan.
But Ware was clearly bigger.
And Miller was bigger too by the time the combine rolled around, despite being 2 inches shorter.
Think of it this way; Reggie Bush and Ray Rice may weigh the same, but Bush is 3" taller. Rice is a power back at that size, and Bush is a speed back. Yes, height matters!! Von Miller at 6'2" 245 is not the same as Mingo 6'4" 240
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You should think Ware, Miller and Jordan are too
I don't give a shite about Jordan.
But Ware was clearly bigger.
And Miller was bigger too by the time the combine rolled around, despite being 2 inches shorter.
Think of it this way; Reggie Bush and Ray Rice may weigh the same, but Bush is 3" taller. Rice is a power back at that size, and Bush is a speed back. Yes, height matters!! Von Miller at 6'2" 245 is not the same as Mingo 6'4" 240
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:07 pm to Lester Earl
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This post was edited on 4/26/13 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:07 pm to Chad504boy
what the hell is that 
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:13 pm to Chad504boy
If course you'd troll on the biggest day since the last game of the season.
you're a huge reason this board is so terrible, you cross dressing dick sucker
you're a huge reason this board is so terrible, you cross dressing dick sucker
This post was edited on 4/25/13 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 4/25/13 at 4:15 pm to Lester Earl
trolling on draft day has always been bannable. everyone RA chadboi
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