re: Video shows Will Smith did initially hit n run Hayes.

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20 seconds goes by from the time Will SMith rear ends him and they actually pull off.


It was actually 10.

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Will Smith's vehicle literally passes the Hummer about 20 seconds after the accident. This can't be disputed. The "bump" happens at about 10 seconds on the video...and Smith passes the Hummer at about 30 seconds.

If you go to google maps and drop to the street view you can see that Juan's is a good 2.5 school bus lengths from the line to stop at the light. We do know for certain that the Impala was somewhere in front of the Hummer, which was probably why Will was driving somewhat antsy (trying to keep up to it) and it was noticed by Hayes, who took exception and for some reason stopped way before the light.
Will bumped into Hayes and since he has a grill and knew the tap was light just decided to drive around and keep up with his "friend". Now all of this is speculation as everyone else on this board has done, but Will was obviously aggravated with the Hummer and decided to drive on, unless he was way too drunk.

Now Hayes is pissed, cause if he was noticing Will tailgating him and decided to stopped sudden and was hit, then his most prized possession just got bumped. This incited road rage as he decided to follow Will and not let him get away with this, also knowing that he was packing and should be able to handle any situation. He also did call 911, as any business owner in the right mind would do.

I do know the damage on the front of the Hummer was pretty bad so he had to hit Will hard. Or who knows, Will could have slammed hard on his breaks. Tire markings in the road may clear that up later in the trial. Will was heated for plenty of reasons as was Hayes, and we can all be assured that Will was packing it's just certain that he didn't get out the car with it, since that really wasn't on his mind.

Occupants of the first car had to see and hear the argument as you would think they would get out to look at the damage, possibly along with the wife. Hayes, does fire to stop Will from getting a weapon and stays on scene because it's too many witness to kill and he feels justified in protecting his life.

Might have felt different in the cars, but that appeared to be just a little tap.

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20 seconds goes by from the time Will SMith rear ends him and they actually pull off. Are you saying this isnt enough time for the red light to clear?

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That would depend on a lot of variables:

1) which cycle the light is on (left turn onto Sophie Wright or straight through on St. Andrew or straight through to cross St. Andrew heading westbound on Magazine)

2) the number of cars stopped at said red light,

3) whether those drivers were paying attention to the light changing, texting or whatever and '

4) if there were cars were completely stopped or

5) if the cars were already in motion when the signal changed

6) if a parked car merged into existing traffic (or anything else that can slow down a lane of traffic)

Average time for a through light at 30-35 mph is 40-60 seconds.

Average time for a turn light is 15-30 seconds per cycle. The intersection at St. Andrew and Magazine has 3 cycles. One left turn onto Sophie Wright, one straight through from one way Magazine to 2 way Magazine @ St. Andrew, and one straight through light cycle on St. Andrew, which is a one way street heading toward the river.

The distance from Juan's to the intersection is 1/3 to 1/4 of that city block. According to Mapquest, the city block is roughly 528 feet from 2100 Magazine Street (corner of Josephine) to 2000 Magazine Street (corner of St. Andrew where Sophie Wright starts.)

TL/DR: Too many variables to answer your question.

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So where are all of the cars? You think that Hayes was behind a gang of cars right? Google street view shows 6 cars between St Andrews and Juan's at that red light, so there should have been at least four cars there at the red light forcing Hayes to hit the brakes.

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Again, 20 seconds passed from the time they got moving. Hayes could have approached the light and it could have just turned green, the cars could have still been stacked up and which caused him to come to a stop. Cars could have cleared out, the light could have turned red by the time they pulled off.

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Well, none of those things are in the video, so...

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You are wrong. There are cars in front of Hayes Hummer. Fox said so last night? Why are you even arguing this? Hell, here is the video that shows the line of cars in front of Hayes

LINK

Again, I said there was video by credible source that had footage of this.

some of you people are ridiculous.

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i'm the biggest defender of a black guy on the board right now therefore i'm being called a racist.

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To be fair, there's no white guy to defend

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How does the witness know who said what?

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Did you not view the cell phone video at scene shortly after this occurred?

The witness says the man in the Hummer gets out wanting to fight. The witness then says guy in the Mercedes SUV responds with he has a gun. Witness finishes by saying guy in the Hummer says he has a gun too, proceeds to get it then shoots the guy in the Mercedes SUV in the back & the guy is dead inside his vehicle.