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re: Underhill: Forget what you heard. Saint's unlikely to start rebuild
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:41 pm to Whodat28
Posted on 1/26/22 at 10:41 pm to Whodat28
I think personally this is the only real option Saints have.
Ireland isn't staying to do a rebuild
Most of our assistants aren't either. They would laterally move first chance they got if they had to.
Obviously our elder players would want out and most are OK with that in a rebuild scenario but where would the buck stop?
You think Kamara, Thomas, Lattimore, Ramcyzk and all of our other prime year players would be ok blowing this up and throwing away 2-4 years of their careers playing meaningless football?
Ireland isn't staying to do a rebuild
Most of our assistants aren't either. They would laterally move first chance they got if they had to.
Obviously our elder players would want out and most are OK with that in a rebuild scenario but where would the buck stop?
You think Kamara, Thomas, Lattimore, Ramcyzk and all of our other prime year players would be ok blowing this up and throwing away 2-4 years of their careers playing meaningless football?
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Posted on 1/27/22 at 7:27 am to partywiththelombardi
You don't rebuild with a top 5 defense...you just don't. We had the 31st offense last year and still were a Rams choke job away from making the playoffs. If we get a QB and Pete can just get the offense to middle of the pack, we are a damn good team.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 9:15 am to Rand AlThor
Is Allen going to run the defense too?
If not who is our DC?
Just grab a solid HC.. promoting from within is a comfortable strategy but not always the best.
If not who is our DC?
Just grab a solid HC.. promoting from within is a comfortable strategy but not always the best.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 9:16 am to DUKE87
You don't get to keep DA and PC if you get a different head coach.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 9:34 am to Sauce Castieaux
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Not enough people are talking about the fact that Brady is talking retirement for the first time. He's even gone as far to post reflective statements about the team.
I think Brady is done. Too much smoke around Gisele pressing Tom to retire to spent more time with the family. It has a similar feel to the situation with Drew where he felt obligated to walk away to spend more time with his family.
Honestly, based off Rodgers postgame last week & his appearance on the Pat McAfee Show the other day, I think Rodgers retires as well. It just sounds like Rodgers is content with where his career stands in NFL history. Also, he seems wore down with the nagging questions & drama over the last few years in Green Bay as well being tired of dealing with some the NFL's bullshite.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 9:45 am to Rand AlThor
I will disagree with this. At some point you have to pay the bill. Payton would like one more championship. He was not going to get a championship quarterback for next year, and the payroll will have to be addressed soon. It made sense to leave. He did a great job here and deserves our respect.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 9:50 am to St Augustine
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Keep kicking the can without a great coach OR Qb. Then you're REALLY fricked.
When completely healthy, the defense & offensive line are championship caliber.
If the front office promotes from within then it's probably best to run it back with Winston due to continuity, familiarity, chemistry & cap situation. The current cap situation simply won't allow for splash FA signings or trades this offseason. It's going to be another offseason of keeping key in house FA's & signing solid Tier 2 & 3 outside FA's. WR desperately needs to be addressed early in this draft along with the TE position & OL depth.
You are probably looking at 2 year window to really compete off the strength of that 2017 draft class before the serious thoughts of blowing it all up & a rebuild would be needed to be seriously considered.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:04 am to H-Town Tiger
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What does “sacrificing the crap out of the future” mean in this context?
What's crazy is that a good portion of fans who are complaining about the Saints cap situation are the same ones who are screaming that Payton to Dallas in a year or two is a done deal. Yet Dallas is currently $21 million over & the cap situation is only going to get worse over the next few years when the dead money of some of their current contracts (Dak's heavily front loaded guarantee/signing bonus deal for example) kicks in.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:06 am to kisatchie53
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Loomis doesn’t do rebuilds. We spent 40 years complaining about cheap owners and GMs, now we bitch about Loomis stretching the cap
fricking Nailed It
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:06 am to BigBrod81
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What's crazy is that a good portion of fans who are complaining about the Saints cap situation are the same ones who are screaming that Payton to Dallas in a year or two is a done deal. Yet Dallas is currently $21 million over & the cap situation is only going to get worse over the next few years when the dead money of some of their current contracts (Dak's heavily front loaded guarantee/signing bonus deal for example) kicks in.
you're insinuating i'm screaming payton to dallas, that's not true. jesus christ. in any case, the difference in cap space of the two teams aside from about 50 million this current year is one team has a franchise qb locked up and the other does not. cool.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:07 am to BigBrod81
Division is definitely up for grabs if TB retires.
We need a health dang OL, healthy Harris and MT wanting to play at a level he did before.
It will certainly be interesting to see what TB and Rogers do.
Cam, TA, Davis, peat, Oneimeia Jenkins are all on their last productive year, , I would mortgage it all now for a run.
We need a health dang OL, healthy Harris and MT wanting to play at a level he did before.
It will certainly be interesting to see what TB and Rogers do.
Cam, TA, Davis, peat, Oneimeia Jenkins are all on their last productive year, , I would mortgage it all now for a run.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:35 am to Chad504boy
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the difference in cap space of the two teams aside from about 50 million this current year
So what?
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:37 am to Rand AlThor
If they went with another coach rather than DA he bolts most likely and then where is our defense?
I would either do a massive rebuild or keep Allen as coach which keeps the defense top tier and on offense...who knows
I would either do a massive rebuild or keep Allen as coach which keeps the defense top tier and on offense...who knows
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:38 am to H-Town Tiger
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So what?
you are insufferable.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 10:56 am to saints5021
You don't know that..
Posted on 1/27/22 at 11:09 am to H-Town Tiger
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I don’t get this mentality. Would rather be mediocre in the present to avoid maybe being bad at some point in the future? Hell maybe if you eventually have a bad season it will be one with a franchise QB in the draft
More that I think mediocre in the present is likely our ceiling without the qb or coach. I’d rather not get to wreckless for marginal improvement.
Posted on 1/27/22 at 11:22 am to Chad504boy
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you are insufferable.
And you keep talking in vague generalities about potential problems in future or “holes” in the roster. Give some examples of what you think will be the problems will be how long you think those problems last.
Also what do you think the solution is?
Posted on 1/27/22 at 11:33 am to St Augustine
We will have a coach soon. And what is wreckless? To me that’s giving bad deals to either current players or free agents that aren’t worth it. I don’t see where they’ve done that except maybe with Thomas but that’s because he got hurt and seems to have turned into a pain the arse since then. But even without him in 2020 they went 13-3 and were the 2 seed . If they had just let him walk I’m bet a lot of fans griping about the cap would have been upset about letting the only good WR go.
Like else someone said the teams that blow things up are the ones that wind up sucking for extended periods. The good franchises don’t do that. We may not be SB contenders without a QB in the near term but you can still make the playoffs and keep looking for one
ETA look at SF, they were in the SB 2 years ago and are a game away now with Jimmy G. In between they went 6-10 but traded up to get what they hope will be a franchise QB. The top young QBs are all in the AFC, the NFC could be up for grabs for a few years
Like else someone said the teams that blow things up are the ones that wind up sucking for extended periods. The good franchises don’t do that. We may not be SB contenders without a QB in the near term but you can still make the playoffs and keep looking for one
ETA look at SF, they were in the SB 2 years ago and are a game away now with Jimmy G. In between they went 6-10 but traded up to get what they hope will be a franchise QB. The top young QBs are all in the AFC, the NFC could be up for grabs for a few years
This post was edited on 1/27/22 at 11:40 am
Posted on 1/27/22 at 11:34 am to goatmilker
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If they went with another coach rather than DA he bolts most likely and then where is our defense?
Who says he bolts? He would be in the same position as this past year.
Why would he leave this defense to go be a dc somewhere else?
I think they probably roll with da and keep everything the same. I also think they bring in another offensive mind to work with carmichael.
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