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re: Underhill and Trip on on Payton returning

Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:44 am to
Posted by Mad Scientist26
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 12/15/22 at 8:44 am to
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McVay just signed an extension through ‘26. What coaches “bailed”?


A coach who’s able to make like 20 mil a year to watch a football game in a booth for about 6 months a year and doesn’t have to work 20 hour days basically throughout the year. That sounds like a good deal to me.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
80007 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:54 am to
Payton went on the Russillo podcast, I haven’t listened yet but here’s the link. 19 minute mark. LINK
Posted by LSUZombie
A Cemetery Near You
Member since Apr 2008
29759 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 9:57 am to
Payton wants a leadership scenario like New Orleans…but doesn’t want to come back to New Orleans. Dude is back on the Percocet.


Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
34321 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 10:47 am to
I think it’s pretty clear he’s open to the idea IF some of the other jobs he would likely want (Chargers, Cowboys, Cardinals) don’t have an opening. Even then, I don’t think he’d been keen on the Cardinals now that Kyler just had the ACL year. He’s not going to put himself in a losing situation, that’s for sure. And I doubt the Cowboys let McCarthy goes unless they really flame out and lose in the Wild Card round.

I still think the Chargers get rid of Staley and they trade the picks for Payton. It just makes too much sense
Posted by tzimme4
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
33911 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 12:56 pm to
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Duncan story doesn’t just come nowhere, someone wanted it out so he doesn’t totally dismiss it.

Yeah the Saints front office lol
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
6615 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:06 pm to
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Payton wants a leadership scenario like New Orleans…but doesn’t want to come back to New Orleans. Dude is back on the Percocet.


Bingo. SP is like most Saints fans, loves the team but hates the city. I’ve come to accept I can support the Saints elsewhere as it’s in the teams best interest and would be fine with a move to Austin or London if that would help Sean and Skylene.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
48737 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:18 pm to
The Saints aren’t moving.
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
8013 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:37 pm to
The Spun: There's a report that came out that said maybe we shouldn’t close the door on a return to the Saints. When you stepped down, did that feel like a goodbye to New Orleans?

SP: For me, it was a break, it was a reset. It was a little bit of fatigue and burnout. It was paying more attention to my health, spending more time with family, doing a few of the things that I hadn't been able to do for a while. I know there are other ways to skin a cat. I always hear people say, ‘Well, you know, you don't have to do this.’ But the schedule that I'm familiar with and what works for me is the way it is, so it was really needing a break from from that schedule. Fortunately, I've been able to take advantage of it. It's frustrating sometimes being away. It's difficult because you aren't in the arena, but there's a racetrack down the street. I see the lights, I can smell the gasoline and I can hear the engines. And so although you lead your normal life, you're periodically looking over the trees and you know that at some point you're going to start moving in that direction again.

That's a clear non-denial.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7913 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:41 pm to
People really overcomplicate QB drafting

It’s extremely simple. Film matters. Character matters. How stats are accumulated matter. Can you create offense yourself? Can you read a defense? Or are you reliant on play calling and reading 25% of the field?

Bryce is can’t miss due to his intangibles and I hate Alabama. If you had the option of Bryce Young or Sean Payton, it’s an incredibly easy choice to pick the QB.

There are more good coaches than good QB prospects.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
80007 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:50 pm to
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People really overcomplicate QB drafting

It’s extremely simple. Film matters. Character matters. How stats are accumulated matter. Can you create offense yourself? Can you read a defense? Or are you reliant on play calling and reading 25% of the field?



The last 25 years of QB drafting says this is either false or oversimplified at best, or you should be an NFL GM.

quote:

Bryce is can’t miss due to his intangibles and I hate Alabama. If you had the option of Bryce Young or Sean Payton, it’s an incredibly easy choice to pick the QB.


The tangibles matter too. Young is really small and appeared to have a dead arm at the end of the season.
Posted by TheRouxGuru
Member since Nov 2019
14624 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 1:58 pm to
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Bryce is can’t miss due to his intangibles


Y’all really get out of control with throwing these cliches around

You’ve never met him. You don’t know him. Never been around him in the locker room. Never been with him in a huddle or on the sidelines


So tell me, how did you arrive at the conclusion of him having such great intangibles??

I’m not even saying that he doesn’t, just pointing out how you (and a TON of other people) love to talk about things that you have zero proof of just to reinforce your stereotypes that you put on certain players




This will ruffle some feathers and bruise an ego or two, but I’m right, and y’all know it
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
77184 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 2:21 pm to
I was sure Burrow had "it" for the NFL and we didn't bunk together.
Posted by TheRouxGuru
Member since Nov 2019
14624 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 3:18 pm to
Joe Burrow doesn’t count
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
80942 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 7:46 pm to
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I’ve heard from a legit NFL insider (Ben Allbright) that Payton wants to coach for one of the LA teams at least about a month ago. He said Mcvay is burned out and is going to get a NFL booth job and spend time with his family (hence on why his coaches are already bailing for other jobs). Also, Brandon Staley has a playoff mandate or he get canned with the chargers. He could have Justin Herbert and a fairly good roster for him.

Agree that McVay "retiring" is totally on the table but the Rams are in a worse situation than the Saints. Stafford may retire too but even if he comes back he's falling apart. Also, Payton wouldn't want to follow McVay but with a worse roster.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7913 posts
Posted on 12/15/22 at 11:44 pm to
Look, obviously I don’t have access to these guys. I just watch the games. Occasionally I’ll hear a tidbit from an analyst or announcer that has spoken to Bryce during the week. They go out of their way to praise the guy off the field. So does Saban. It’s not typical cookie cutter praise and it matches up with what you see on the field, how he carries himself, interacts with his teammates, etc.

Bryce Young is one of the coolest customer at QB I have ever seen. Especially in pressure situations. And it’s not incredibly difficult to spot good intangibles on TV. (Burrow) It’s also not bad to spot a low intangible guy on TV (Kyler).

Look, as Saints fans and LSU fans, we got to watch Brees for 15 years and Burrow for 2 years (I have watched him for 5 years now). When you watch a short QB like Brees for 15 years dominate with no Superstar level WR’s and a dead arm for half the time, you start to pick up on a lot of the intricacies of the position. Or at least I do, bc I watch the game pretty intently and normally don’t drink copious amounts of alcohol during it.

And Once you know what to look for, it’s not too difficult to translate it to your viewership of other QBs.

The job even becomes easier as a GM, Coach or a Scout, bc you get the All 22 film, you get to meet the guy, test the guy (wonderlic and board work).

If you can’t figure out which QB to pick with all of that intel and research, it’s pretty embarrassing to be completely honest.

Bryce is a slam dunk. CJ Stroud would be a guy I’d need to interview and see the board work on to make the call on. Just watching the game, he has size and talent, but seems pretty meh from a leadership and defense reading standpoint.
This post was edited on 12/15/22 at 11:45 pm
Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22611 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 9:44 am to
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Both agree you take Payton back over a first round pick, not even debatable, even if it’s a top 3 pick


They’re obviously far more knowledgeable than I am, but I feel like a top 3 pick is plenty debatable. A potential franchise QB is the most valuable thing in the NFL. Even with more than Sean, and who knows when he would just quit again anyway.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
48737 posts
Posted on 12/17/22 at 11:16 am to
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top 3 pick
Top 3 picks bust out of the league all the time. The fail rate of HCs is the same. SP is a proven winner as HC, I’d go with the known commodity.
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