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re: The Ball went backwards
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:53 pm to moneyg
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:53 pm to moneyg
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So you are saying a play where the ball doesn’t come dislodged and instead leaves the QBs had via an intentional movement is a fumble?
That depends on the movement of the QB's arm prior to the hit/dislodging
As I said
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d Would be a fumble If the hit came as/after the arm is coming forward, it's a pass If the hit came before the arm is coming forward, it's a fumble
There are 2 options for this discussion:
1. The ref incorrectly called it a forward pass and it should be a fumble.
2. The ref correctly called it a forward pass, and due to the defender hitting the QB, it's irrelevant to the ball went backwards (due to the rule I posted)
There is no scenario where it's a forward pass and the rule I posted doesn't apply. The rule is for forward passes.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:54 pm to Scoob
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If the qb throws a pass to the receiver, but the receiver is behind the qb, the throwing motion is a pass. But because it's backwards, it is a backwards pass or lateral. The ball is live if not caught.
This allows the WR to then throw a forward pass if he chooses to. Literally, the ball has moved backwards due to the direction of the pass.
You're leaving out the part where the defender hits the QB
Posted on 9/13/26 at 3:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You're leaving out the part where the defender hits the QB
You're just being a contrarian troll.
I have watched football since the 70s, and what the refs called has NEVER been a rule ever. If the ball is delivered from an offensive player and goes backwards, it is a live ball. It has NEVER been ruled incomplete, if it comes cleanly out without deflection, and lands behind the player.
That's why players jump on the ball if it's remotely close.
You know that, I know that, everyone who has watched football knows that
Posted on 9/13/26 at 3:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That depends on the movement of the QB's arm prior to the hit/dislodging
Was his arm moving forward prior to being hit? I posted the video for you. You keep running from it.
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There are 2 options for this discussion: 1. The ref incorrectly called it a forward pass and it should be a fumble. 2. The ref correctly called it a forward pass, and due to the defender hitting the QB, it's irrelevant to the ball went backwards (due to the rule I posted)
This is incorrect. There is a clear 3rd option. It was a lateral that occurred in a play where the QB was hit prior to his arm moving forward. In fact, his arm never moved forward.
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There is no scenario where it's a forward pass and the rule I posted doesn't apply.
It wasn’t a forward pass. You and the NFL are wrongly applying that rule and this concluding it’s a forward pass.
This post was edited on 9/13/26 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 9/13/26 at 3:04 pm to moneyg
I believe the rules says hand moving not arm.
This post was edited on 9/13/26 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 9/13/26 at 3:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Once it becomes a pass, the rule I posted controls.
How do you know it became a pass.
Cite the rule.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 3:07 pm to Scoob
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If the ball is delivered from an offensive player and goes backwards, it is a live ball
Not if the defender hits the QB
This has been the rule as long as I've remembered football, which goes back to the early 90s
Posted on 9/13/26 at 3:08 pm to Obi Wan Ryobi
Week 2 remainders: fumbles become incomplete passes
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Published 12 years ago on September 21, 2014
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In Geno Smith’s case, the only reason the ball went backward was due to the defensive contact. Alex Smith was moving his arm slightly, but in an obvious forward passing motion when viewed on replay. Because the actions of the quarterbacks made the ball a forward pass, both plays were ruled incomplete passes in replay. With the repeal of the Tuck Rule in 2013, the end of a forward motion ends the intention to pass, and not tucking the ball into the body. The next issue for these plays involves intentional grounding, as it was argued that these passes were nowhere near an intended receiver. However, the rules allow the word intentional to have meaning — the actions of both Smiths were intended to be passes to an eligible receiver, and the intentional grounding rules give similar deference to the quarterback as Rule 8-1-1a does to make it incomplete. In this case, if there is no eligible target in the path of the intended pass, the referee can still call intentional grounding. Such a call is rarely made, though, because it is difficult to actually determine what would have happened without the defensive contact.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 3:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Not if the defender hits the QB
This has been the rule as long as I've remembered football, which goes back to the early 90s
No.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 3:26 pm to Scoob
I just posted an article about this from TWELVE years ago
Posted on 9/13/26 at 3:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
The ball cleanly came out and cleanly went backwards.
Go bug someone else.
Go bug someone else.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 3:35 pm to Scoob
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The ball cleanly came out and cleanly went backwards.
*after a hit by a defender, which then means the ball going backwards means nothing thereafter.
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