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re: The Ball went backwards
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:09 pm to moneyg
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:09 pm to moneyg
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I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that intent of the passer is nowhere in the rulebook.
Instead, you are seeing an “expert” trying to explain the unexplainable. The real crime is that they think the fans don’t see right through it.
Y'all are having the weirdest melt.
The wording could have been better, but the "intent" reference deals with the defender causing the pass to go backwards. It's the same reason why passes affected by hits are never intentional grounding, either.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
That’s not the same at all. A batted down pass actually goes forward and is released from the QBs hand.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:11 pm to DBG
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That’s not the same at all. A batted down pass actually goes forward and is released from the QBs hand.
I did not reference a batted down pass in any way, shape, or form
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
I misread
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Y'all are having the weirdest melt.
The wording could have been better, but the "intent" reference deals with the defender causing the pass to go backwards. It's the same reason why passes affected by hits are never intentional grounding, either.
Can you post the rule?
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:15 pm to NIH
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This post was edited on 9/13/26 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:17 pm to moneyg
LINK
*ETA: it even includes "intentional" in the rule
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If, after intentional forward movement of his hand, contact by an opponent materially affects the passer, causing the ball to go backward, it is a forward pass, regardless of where the ball strikes the ground, a player, an official, or anything else.
*ETA: it even includes "intentional" in the rule
This post was edited on 9/13/26 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If, after intentional forward movement of his hand
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If tweet fails to load, click here. You seem to be misapplying the rule.
The contact came well before any forward movement of the hand…and I’d suggest that the hand never moves forward because the contact makes the arm move backwards.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:29 pm to moneyg
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You seem to be misapplying the rule.
The contact came well before any forward movement of the hand
Jesus fricking Christ
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Jesus fricking Christ
No need for that blasphemy.
Make your case if you can. Don’t run from it.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:32 pm to moneyg
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Make your case if you can. Don’t run from it.
I already have. You're changing this to the "fumble" discussion, which isn't relevant.
What you argued is a fumble, and I agree it should have been a fumble. But that wasn't the ruling. Now the discussion is about something else. Read the title of the thread:
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The Ball went backwards
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:35 pm to moneyg
By this “interpretation” QBs could just dance around with the ball in passing position above their heads and be immune from fumbles. Since when does going up constitute a forward throw
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I already have. You're changing this to the "fumble" discussion, which isn't relevant.
What you argued is a fumble
I am not arguing a fumble. It was not a fumble IMO. It was a lateral.
The rule you posted says a lateral isn’t a lateral if contact materially affects the play AFTER THE ARM MOVES FORWARD.
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I agree it should have been a fumble. But that wasn't the ruling. Now the discussion is about something else.
This is called moving the goalposts.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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LINK
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If, after intentional forward movement of his hand, contact by an opponent materially affects the passer, causing the ball to go backward, it is a forward pass, regardless of where the ball strikes the ground, a player, an official, or anything else.
*ETA: it even includes "intentional" in the rule
Look, I quit watching the game after that call. But I will say, there was no "intentional forward movement" of his hand. Yes, he did start the throwing motion, moving his arm, but neither the arm or hand ever went "forward", meaning downfield. The arm (and hand) both went sideways and backwards (the direction the ball was released). The ball was not knocked away or deflected and it never went forward.
It's literally the definition of a backwards pass, which is a live ball.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:40 pm to moneyg
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I am not arguing a fumble. It was not a fumble IMO.
This
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The contact came well before any forward movement of the hand
Would be a fumble
If the hit came as/after the arm is coming forward, it's a pass
If the hit came before the arm is coming forward, it's a fumble
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:40 pm to Scoob
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Yes, he did start the throwing motion, moving his arm, but neither the arm or hand ever went "forward",
These 2 statements are in conflict
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Yes, he did start the throwing motion, moving his arm, but neither the arm or hand ever went "forward",
These 2 statements are in conflict
No, they're not.
It was not a forced fumble, it was a pass.
The pass went backwards, it released cleanly and landed behind the qb. Thus by definition a lateral or backwards pass
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:44 pm to Scoob
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It was not a forced fumble, it was a pass.
Once it becomes a pass, the rule I posted controls.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This quote:The contact came well before any forward movement of the hand Would be a fumble If the hit came as/after the arm is coming forward, it's a pass If the hit came before the arm is coming forward, it's a fumble
So you are saying a play where the ball doesn’t come dislodged and instead leaves the QBs had via an intentional movement is a fumble?
Ok
Posted on 9/13/26 at 2:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:No it doesn't.
Once it becomes a pass, the rule I posted controls
If the qb throws a pass to the receiver, but the receiver is behind the qb, the throwing motion is a pass. But because it's backwards, it is a backwards pass or lateral. The ball is live if not caught.
This allows the WR to then throw a forward pass if he chooses to. Literally, the ball has moved backwards due to the direction of the pass.
So no, it wasn't a forced fumble. It was a backwards pass.
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