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drake20
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
Ya, they all use someone else’s rankings and mocks and throw in a hot take here and there.

I’m sure team draft boards vary a lot more. And I’m sure Payton was the highest rated player according to the Saints...and that’s why they took him...And I’m sure they don’t care where Mel Kiper had him projected.


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Townedrunkard
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
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JOK was ranked as a top 20 player, yet everyone passed on him because he is a tweener


I’ve read he dropped because of a possible heart issue. Even though he’s a tweener, he’s built to defend the modern game.


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Laaz2750
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
Value is one of those stats that doesn't matter a damn. It's just something for idiots like Mel Kiper and Stephen A Smith and Colin Cowherd, who have to fill 24 hours of TV a day, to flap their gums about and get people who watch "The View for men" all day, mad.

All that matters is whether or not the kid winds up being an effective starter for us. If he does then he will more than outplay his rookie contract and no one will give a shite how much he "cost" us in draft capital.


Townedrunkard
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
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Value is one of those stats that doesn't matter a damn


Totally disagree. If you reaching for players a round early, you getting worse players as the draft goes on instead of more talented ones that dropped.

Take the 2017 draft, if we take Kamara high in the 2nd, do you think we would have been able to get Marcus Williams in the 3rd where we drafted Kamara? Highly unlikely since Williams had a high 2nd round grade.


Laaz2750
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
Easy to make those kinds of judgments after the draft has played out. You can look back and say we were able to do X because we did Y and the rest of the draft fell like Z. In the draft you can't do that. You pick the guys you like best when they're available and you wait to see what happens next.


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MetArl15
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
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half the league is undrafted
30% of the league is undrafted. But your point remains that no one knows anything for sure.


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geauxpurple
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
That seems to be the consensus. Sean Payton and Jeff Ireland must have seen something in this guy they really liked. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. They have earned it for the most part. We will see.


saints5021
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
Fans overvalue draft picks. They are a means to end (getting the players you want). The Cleveland Browns got a ton of value when they traded the #6 pick in the 2011 draft for two firsts, a second and two forths. In hindsight, do you think the Browns would have rathered just keep Julio instead of getting all the value players they acquired? BTW, the amazing value the got wound up being Greg Little, Owen Marecic, Brandon Weeden and Phil Taylor. They also were able to package one of those picks to move up for Trent Richardson.


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MONROE
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
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He will be defensive rookie of the year.


He won’t even be a starter


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MONROE
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
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JOK was ranked as a top 20 player, yet everyone passed on him because he is a tweener


They passed on him because he has a heart condition


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partywiththelombardi
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
Hmm do I trust sporting news or a coach with 2 of the greatest draft classes in NFL History, a SB win, and the most regular season wins in the NFL since 2017...

Idk it's a tough call


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shel311
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
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It was also a curious selection, considering Gregory Rousseau, who also plays defensive end, was still available and was ranked higher on every big board out there.
Considering the Saints took Turner and not Rousseau, this is obviously just nonsense said for the sake of clicks.


Fun Bunch
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
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was ranked higher on every big board out there.


He wasn't ranked higher on the Saints board.


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shel311
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
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What? He was rated in the 60s we picked him in the top 30. He was 30 something spots where he should have been....

Maybe, but if we picked him late 20s, you can be certain another team or set of teams likely valued him similarly, so he wouldn't be there in round 2 and we can't assume he'd be there 10-15 picks later if we still wanted to trade up for him.

I also don't know why we put so much stock into what a publication like Sporting News thinks and not these dudes in charge of NFL teams. It certainly doesn't mean they're always going to be right, but let's be honest, when it comes to a dude that probably 80% of us hadn't even heard of before the draft, it's kinda silly to all of a sudden have such strong takes.


WicKed WayZ
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
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Maybe, but if we picked him late 20s, you can be certain another team or set of teams likely valued him similarly, so he wouldn't be there in round 2 and we can't assume he'd be there 10-15 picks later if we still wanted to trade up for him.




Exactly. A lot of people think teams leak their own players they like to the media but a lot of times it comes from other teams to hurt potential trades, or trades that fell through and the team that wanted to trade out wants to garner more interest in trading. The Saints and the majority of other teams know which players they like at least a week in advance. It burned the Saints with Mahomes and even Kenneth Murray last year. Payton even alluded to this when he said he didn't even call Dana Holgorsen at Houston because he didn't want it getting out he liked Turner. Ireland did something similar by not even going to Pete Werner's Pro Day because they liked him but didn't want other teams to know they did.

Not giving away your hand is an underrated aspect of the draft and a lot of teams give things away that even the media has no idea about. Take for example the fact it came out yesterday the Vikings wanted Fields and it just so happens the Bears traded in front. That wasn't a coincidence. It was also reported a team in the high 30s also had Turner very, very high. He would not have fallen if we had traded back. He was in the Saints top 20 and I'm willing to bet he was in another team's top 20 as well, that team being in the high 30's.


ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
Assessing draft “value” is just such a dumb concept. There is minimal consensus among teams after the first 10-20 players. It’s why you always see so many “who?” picks at the end of the first round. Saints have the benefit of the doubt right now for me and I give more weight to their draft board than most teams. However 2020 class has some real questions to answer. Hopefully this one delivers more for the team in their rookie years.


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tigersbb
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
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What? He was rated in the 60s we picked him in the top 30. He was 30 something spots where he should have been....


Sporting News ranked him as the 2nd worst first round pick which made him the # 31 draftee in theory. Saints only drafted him three spots higher,

Lets revisit this draft in three years and see how it all plays out.


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Bengaltyger4life
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re: Sporting News ranks Payton Turner as 2nd worst value pick in round 1
I don’t particularly like the pick in the first round although he does have a lot of potential and upside. There were several teams that drafted players who have had injuries and probably have question mark ? if they will live up to their draft status. One first round pick retired from UCLA because of injuries and later resurface in Miami and went in the first round. Another player has already had back injuries and surgery and was drafted in the first round. I believe the saints got a value pick that will produce for them.


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