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So. . .is Derek Carr that good, or was our secondary that overhyped?
Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:20 am
Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:20 am
Derek Carr looked like. . .well Drew Brees of old.
Our secondary looked like. . .well the Saints Secondary of old.
Our secondary looked like. . .well the Saints Secondary of old.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:25 am to Roaad
During the draft people were saying we had the best roster in the NFL, and it would be really hard for any rookies to make the team.
Post draft they said the same things. They were all wrong, or last night was just one of those nights and we will move on and show better.
Time will tell.
Post draft they said the same things. They were all wrong, or last night was just one of those nights and we will move on and show better.
Time will tell.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:26 am to Roaad
We couldn't figure out Waller. And when we tried to adjust it opened up other avenues.
Not to mention the lack of pass rush after the 1st Q, poor tackling, awful DB technique on those PI's, etc. Kept bailing them out on 3rd down. Just wasn't our night.
Not to mention the lack of pass rush after the 1st Q, poor tackling, awful DB technique on those PI's, etc. Kept bailing them out on 3rd down. Just wasn't our night.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:27 am to Roaad
he kept hitting Waller.
their WR's weren't doing all that much. Hell nothing really.
they had the one long play to the other TE whatever his name is.
waller wasn't gashing the D for big gains but they didn't have an answer for the short or mid range game.
their WR's weren't doing all that much. Hell nothing really.
they had the one long play to the other TE whatever his name is.
waller wasn't gashing the D for big gains but they didn't have an answer for the short or mid range game.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:30 am to LooseCannon22282
Allen’s defense seems to have one of these games at the beginning of every year
Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:34 am to josh336
it wasn't all bad though.
3 sacks and several tackles for losses.
its not like the D-line was getting knocked off the ball.
Credit the Raiders for the time of possession.
third down defense was a crap fest but so was theirs.
both teams converted fairly well on third down and its not like Jacobs was having some game for the ages.
but you can't let the opponents top receiving threat beat you and that's exactly what happened.
3 sacks and several tackles for losses.
its not like the D-line was getting knocked off the ball.
Credit the Raiders for the time of possession.
third down defense was a crap fest but so was theirs.
both teams converted fairly well on third down and its not like Jacobs was having some game for the ages.
but you can't let the opponents top receiving threat beat you and that's exactly what happened.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 7:35 am to Roaad
1st quarter the Saints were getting solid pressure on Carr. the next 3 quarters not so much.. I don't know if the Raiders adjusted or the Saints let up on the pressure.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:03 am to Roaad
We were very bad and overmatched with speed and height.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:04 am to LooseCannon22282
3 sacks sounds great until you realize they all came in the 3rd quarter
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:06 am to josh336
If you can cover simple out routes and curls, your secondary sucks. Allen did the right things, it was the secondary and LBs that let us down. Can't expect the front to get pressure when he is throwing everything off of a 3 step drop.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:06 am to Roaad
Carr is a good qb. He reminds me a ton of Brees in San Diego. He has very little to work with on the outside and has relied on his TE over the last few years heavily. People forget that before that bad injury he had he was a legit mvp candidate a few years ago. All the while playing in one of the more unstable franchises in the NFL pre Gruden.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 11:36 am
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:12 am to Roaad
Carr looked great because we couldn't figure out Waller, leaving him wide open a handful of times. And the Dline could not get in the backfield without a stunt blitz. You give any QB that kind of time, they will tear apart a secondary.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:13 am to josh336
quote:
Allen’s defense seems to have one of these games at the beginning of every year
And in the playoffs
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:16 am to josh336
raiders were 2-for-2 on 4th down attempts.
10-of-17 on third down
i agree not a good showing from the defense when plays needed to be made.
Jacobs 27 carries for 88 yards. Not a great game but it was just enough to keep our D honest I guess. Just a shame it was just mainly one guy who tore us up (Waller).
on the flip side Kamara had only 13 carries for 79 yards rushing and Murray 3 carries for 14 yards with a gain of 8 yards on one of those.
Harris got the ball once on a jet sweep and Taysom twice.
the Raiders had one guy running the show while Kamara had less than half the attempts and no supporting cast for real. Not last night anyway.
10-of-17 on third down
i agree not a good showing from the defense when plays needed to be made.
Jacobs 27 carries for 88 yards. Not a great game but it was just enough to keep our D honest I guess. Just a shame it was just mainly one guy who tore us up (Waller).
on the flip side Kamara had only 13 carries for 79 yards rushing and Murray 3 carries for 14 yards with a gain of 8 yards on one of those.
Harris got the ball once on a jet sweep and Taysom twice.
the Raiders had one guy running the show while Kamara had less than half the attempts and no supporting cast for real. Not last night anyway.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:25 am to Weekend Warrior79
The Raiders can be a frustrating team to play if you can't get it going on offense.
They run the football and dink and dunk the ball to their tight ends and backs. They take few if any risks so they aren't really going to beat themselves. Ruggs got wide open 2-3 times last night for long gains, but Carr never even looked his way. He works short to long and doesn't read his entire progression.
The saints likewise can't stretch the field anymore, so it set up as a matchup that LV was going to be able to hang around in. The Seattles, Arizonas, KCs, Baltimores even Dallas, Falcons around the league would probably beat that Raiders team senseless. They all have the ability on offense to put the raiders into chase/desperation mode early and they aren't built for that.
Carr is a pretty average QB in terms of ability, but he is the definition of a "game manager". He is not going to take many risks at all, and it's what will inevitably hold LV back against more explosive teams.
The saints look like a pretty easy team to defend at the moment, even when MT13 comes back. I think teams are figuring out that they don't really have to respect the deep ball with Brees under center. Ironically Brees right now in his current form is basically what Carr has been his entire career- they just have an elite weapon at TE and are going to commit to running the ball as long as the game is somewhat close.
They run the football and dink and dunk the ball to their tight ends and backs. They take few if any risks so they aren't really going to beat themselves. Ruggs got wide open 2-3 times last night for long gains, but Carr never even looked his way. He works short to long and doesn't read his entire progression.
The saints likewise can't stretch the field anymore, so it set up as a matchup that LV was going to be able to hang around in. The Seattles, Arizonas, KCs, Baltimores even Dallas, Falcons around the league would probably beat that Raiders team senseless. They all have the ability on offense to put the raiders into chase/desperation mode early and they aren't built for that.
Carr is a pretty average QB in terms of ability, but he is the definition of a "game manager". He is not going to take many risks at all, and it's what will inevitably hold LV back against more explosive teams.
The saints look like a pretty easy team to defend at the moment, even when MT13 comes back. I think teams are figuring out that they don't really have to respect the deep ball with Brees under center. Ironically Brees right now in his current form is basically what Carr has been his entire career- they just have an elite weapon at TE and are going to commit to running the ball as long as the game is somewhat close.
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:35 am to Roaad
Biggest stat raiders 12/19 on 3rd down
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:36 am to Roaad
This was always going to be Carr's year. He has a lot of good pieces to work with year:
1. Year 3 of Gruden's offense
2. Franchise RB and TE
3. Highest paid OL in the NFL
The only thing they are missing is a WR1, but Ruggs/Edwards definitely have a chance to be good.
1. Year 3 of Gruden's offense
2. Franchise RB and TE
3. Highest paid OL in the NFL
The only thing they are missing is a WR1, but Ruggs/Edwards definitely have a chance to be good.
This post was edited on 9/22/20 at 8:38 am
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:38 am to Riseupfromtherubble
solid post man.
yeah the few times i watched the raiders last year i was surprised to see them run 3 TE formations as much as they did.
may have been a bad matchup but like you said but the Saints inability to establish any a consistent ground game is what is killing them. Would take a lot of pressure off Brees but teams know this and they aren't about to let that happen.
they had something going with Ingram & AK a few years ago but that is long gone.
heck they got a young talented line mostly why not try and run more?
yeah the few times i watched the raiders last year i was surprised to see them run 3 TE formations as much as they did.
may have been a bad matchup but like you said but the Saints inability to establish any a consistent ground game is what is killing them. Would take a lot of pressure off Brees but teams know this and they aren't about to let that happen.
they had something going with Ingram & AK a few years ago but that is long gone.
heck they got a young talented line mostly why not try and run more?
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:40 am to josh336
I was just about to say Dennis Allen deserves some of the blame to.It look like to me they played zones most of the game and Carr was just picking it apart
Posted on 9/22/20 at 8:41 am to Roaad
Ways to beat the Saints:
1. Tight End over the middle.
2. Throw deep balls on outside coverages and rack up PI's.
3. Profit.
1. Tight End over the middle.
2. Throw deep balls on outside coverages and rack up PI's.
3. Profit.
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