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re: Reminder: The Saints cannot tear it down this offseason. It is virtually impossible.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:24 pm to Swagga
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:24 pm to Swagga
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Let Allen and Carmichael return to lead the tank. Let the contracts run their course next year. Fire Allen and Carmichael as soon as tank is secured. Trade any dead weight after next season
Show me how the Saints get under the salary cap without restructuring Carr, making the Saints stuck with him long term.
Show me how the Saints dump all these restructured contracts next off season and stay under the salary cap.
It can’t happen. This franchise is doomed for years because of Loomis. There is no way forward with him still here. It will take a total, multi year dismantling of the organization to get back to being able to rebuild.
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:26 pm to Fun Bunch
But we can tear down and rebuild the coaching staff.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:08 pm to Pels_Yaz
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As soon as Brees retired and Sean left- this should have been the route- especially without a qb.
I’m OK with them not doing this. The saints really did have one of the best overall rosters when Brees stepped down.
But it’s time.
Much like the Fed, Loomis tried to engineer a soft landing for the team post Brees/Payton. Unlike the Fed, it appears Loomis failed and we are about to really crash and burn.
The 2022 first round was an absolute disaster for the saints.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:31 pm to Fun Bunch
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This FO has to commit to doing that and they have shown no inclination that they will.
I agree, but that's different than saying "the Saints cannot tear it down this offseason".
You are right about that in that we can't completely tear it down. But, given that it's a multi-year process that doesn't get any easier as time goes on, there's no reason to not start.
I really think this should be viewed as a 4-5 year effort.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:31 pm to Pels_Yaz
Big difference with your arse on the line when the roster makeup has little chance to be successful because you have to eat dead money and you need to work through aging contracts; versus an opportunity where you get to work with a roster with some talent that needs a different direction and/or have some ability to mold the roster to your specific needs.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:50 pm to Pels_Yaz
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They weren’t rebuilding under Stafford so its not 3 decades.
Bro...30 years between division titles. Who gives a frick about if you are rebuilding, or not, if you aren't winning.
Texans started in 99. Have done nothing. Again, no one cares about your rebuild if you don't win.
They are not the standard.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:06 pm to Fun Bunch
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No "hot name" will touch this job with a 10 foot pole this offseason. Next season maybe.
Outside of Ben Johnson, what "hot names" are there? He's the only HC candidate I know of that is in a position to be picky.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:11 pm to higgsBoson
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trade every good contract we haven’t restructured.
Olave and Adebo. That’s the list.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:18 pm to Fun Bunch
This is woefully true which is why I hope at the very least we bring in a new OC and DA gives him full control of the offense.
DA is not a HC, we know this. But this is the only option I won't completely riot over outside of him being fired outright.
DA is not a HC, we know this. But this is the only option I won't completely riot over outside of him being fired outright.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:28 pm to SaintEB
Lol you think getting to playoffs and have winning seasons is nothing??
Texans had winning seasons, won division titles and made playoff under Deshaun, JJ watt and company.
Detroit made playoffs under Stafford and now will again under Goff.
You’re so spoiled. Its not superbowl or bust. You have to start somewhere. You cant magically find Payton and Brees and hit the ground running.
Rebuilding is a part of building a winner. The bengals did this with Burrow and Chase.
What exactly is the solution if you dont want to rebuild? Keep bringing back Carr and have mediocre seasons so you can bitch about it? Typical new generation sports fan who wants results immediately or he gets pissed.
There is no standard because you dont have one. You dont want to rebuild; you just want immediate success where this team is a contender- sorry that will not happen with this aging, expensive roster.
Texans had winning seasons, won division titles and made playoff under Deshaun, JJ watt and company.
Detroit made playoffs under Stafford and now will again under Goff.
You’re so spoiled. Its not superbowl or bust. You have to start somewhere. You cant magically find Payton and Brees and hit the ground running.
Rebuilding is a part of building a winner. The bengals did this with Burrow and Chase.
What exactly is the solution if you dont want to rebuild? Keep bringing back Carr and have mediocre seasons so you can bitch about it? Typical new generation sports fan who wants results immediately or he gets pissed.
There is no standard because you dont have one. You dont want to rebuild; you just want immediate success where this team is a contender- sorry that will not happen with this aging, expensive roster.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:31 pm to Weekend Warrior79
Sure but you’re acting like theres a wealth of NFL jobs and candidates can pick and choose. This isn’t linkedin or indeed. You want be a nfl head coach its slim pickings. You’re acting like no good coach will come here- fricking Sean Payton came here when the franchise’s city was completely devasted by a hurricane and had no idea where the football team would be. You really think dead money and aging contracts will affect a good coach not coming here lol
Posted on 12/27/23 at 4:13 pm to Rand AlThor
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quote:trade every good contract we haven’t restructured. Olave and Adebo. That’s the list.
I remember this board trying to convince me that the saints would “make it work” when I kept bringing up how much over cap we were. Is this them “making it work”?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 4:39 pm to Fun Bunch
1. Eat the money you owe now to players who won't be here in 2025. Guys like maye and Mathieu.
2. Don't touch contracts that can let you escape going into 2025. Guys like ram.
3. Commit to the rebuild, allow the option to trade veterans to contenders. Kamara, Lattimore, Davis, etc.
4. Be open to trading young assets like olave, ruiz to stockpile draft picks
2. Don't touch contracts that can let you escape going into 2025. Guys like ram.
3. Commit to the rebuild, allow the option to trade veterans to contenders. Kamara, Lattimore, Davis, etc.
4. Be open to trading young assets like olave, ruiz to stockpile draft picks
Posted on 12/27/23 at 6:09 pm to htran90
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1. Eat the money you owe now to players who won't be here in 2025. Guys like maye and Mathieu. 2. Don't touch contracts that can let you escape going into 2025. Guys like ram. 3. Commit to the rebuild, allow the option to trade veterans to contenders. Kamara, Lattimore, Davis, etc. 4. Be open to trading young assets like olave, ruiz to stockpile draft picks
How do they get under the salary cap in this scenario?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:08 pm to Fun Bunch
It looks really bad now but 2 seasons in a row “experts” were picking the Saints to win the Superbowl. 2 seasons ago the Saints were touted to have a top 5, Superbowl defense. That’s why the game is played on the field and not on paper. On the field exposed what the Saints are lacking…coaching. That is what’s amplifying the now terrible contracts.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:38 pm to pankReb
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I remember this board trying to convince me that the saints would “make it work” when I kept bringing up how much over cap we were. Is this them “making it work”?
They're gonna make it work, they'll be cap compliant. They can even create cap space to sign FAs if they need to. They just can't easily get off some of their vets. If they slowly shed those contracts they can get out of the situation they're in in 3-5 years
Posted on 12/28/23 at 3:03 am to Rand AlThor
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They're gonna make it work, they'll be cap compliant. They can even create cap space to sign FAs if they need to. They just can't easily get off some of their vets. If they slowly shed those contracts they can get out of the situation they're in in 3-5 years
And we did that just to spend $30 million a year on a west coast version of Andy Dalton. So once again....is this a good way to "make it work?"
Posted on 12/28/23 at 6:07 am to Rand AlThor
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They're gonna make it work, they'll be cap compliant. They can even create cap space to sign FAs if they need to. They just can't easily get off some of their vets. If they slowly shed those contracts they can get out of the situation they're in in 3-5 years
The thing I’m worried about is that 3-5 years is a long time. Coaches don’t last that long in the NFL. How do you sell that to a coach when you’re tying his hand behind his back. I know there’s only 32 jobs but you still want to be able to convince the guy you want to hire. If your number one chooses someone else because of this it’s tough.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:39 am to BamaNme
7-10 next year too.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:54 am to TheOldMan
Next years schedule already looks 10X harder than this years, and that is even without factoring in if the Saints finish with a 2nd or 3rd place schedule.
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