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Reminder: The Saints cannot tear it down this offseason. It is virtually impossible.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:34 am
Due to their salary cap machinations, the Saints will likely have 20 of 22 starters back, at least.
They have restructured too many deals, and cutting virtually any of those players (or trading) would result in a larger cap hit than keeping them.
So those guys will be back. On top of that, just to make it under the cap, they will have to do even more cap maneuvers, resulting in kicking the can even further with some players.
They will also have a pick likely in the teens.
They have restructured too many deals, and cutting virtually any of those players (or trading) would result in a larger cap hit than keeping them.
So those guys will be back. On top of that, just to make it under the cap, they will have to do even more cap maneuvers, resulting in kicking the can even further with some players.
They will also have a pick likely in the teens.
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:35 am to Fun Bunch
Wash, rinse, repeat
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:37 am to Fun Bunch
If this team can find ways to repeatedly sign free agents. They can find ways to tear it down and rebuild. I just don’t believe they want to genuinely do that which is the major problem.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:40 am to Fun Bunch
Well then the only thing that can be changed is coaching. Make the move
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:41 am to msstate7
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Well then the only thing that can be changed is coaching. Make the move
At OC? Because that's what will happen.
No coach that isn't a terrible retread will want this job as HC.
No cap, no high pick, locked in middling QB, very old roster.
You likely have to wait another year to attract a HC even remotely worthwhile
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:42 am to Fun Bunch
Draft a young QB and hopefully hit on your other picks.
Let Allen and Carmichael return to lead the tank. Let the contracts run their course next year.
Fire Allen and Carmichael as soon as tank is secured. Trade any dead weight after next season.
Bring in young offensive minded coach to pair with new young QB. Hopefully hit in the draft again.
This can be sorted out by the end of next season if done correctly.
Let Allen and Carmichael return to lead the tank. Let the contracts run their course next year.
Fire Allen and Carmichael as soon as tank is secured. Trade any dead weight after next season.
Bring in young offensive minded coach to pair with new young QB. Hopefully hit in the draft again.
This can be sorted out by the end of next season if done correctly.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:44 am to Fun Bunch
There are 32 nfl HC jobs. Of course a good coach will take the job. I'm not sure our leadership will find someone, but there will absolutely be good ones out there
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 10:45 am
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:00 am to Pels_Yaz
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They can find ways to tear it down and rebuild. I just don’t believe they want to genuinely do that which is the major problem.
Problem is a rebuild builds in the fact that you will have a few really bad years. League is driven by results. DA knows if he agrees to a rebuild, he's on thin ice and is halfway out the door. A new HC most likely will not want any part of a multi-year rebuild because their arse is now on the line and they know if it "takes longer than it should" they may not get a 2nd shot.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:03 am to Weekend Warrior79
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A new HC most likely will not want any part of a multi-year rebuild because their arse is now on the line
Your arse being on the line is part of the NFL gig regardless. The Lions and Texans have successfully gone this route. Granted the Texans fired couple coaches in the process. But being nfl coach means you’re always on the hot seat.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:04 am to msstate7
I think Marrone the O line coach needs to go.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:08 am to msstate7
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There are 32 nfl HC jobs. Of course a good coach will take the job. I'm not sure our leadership will find someone, but there will absolutely be good ones out there
And yet every year bad coaches get hired RE: Dennis Allen
No "hot name" will touch this job with a 10 foot pole this offseason. Next season maybe.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:09 am to Pels_Yaz
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The Lions
Success? Yeah, it only took 3 decades. And they still haven't won shite.
Texans. Started in 1999, got to the playoffs in 2010 and a few years after that. Basically, the Saints since 2009.
I'm not using them as the standard.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:13 am to Swagga
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Draft a young QB and hopefully hit on your other picks.
Let Allen and Carmichael return to lead the tank. Let the contracts run their course next year.
Fire Allen and Carmichael as soon as tank is secured. Trade any dead weight after next season.
Bring in young offensive minded coach to pair with new young QB. Hopefully hit in the draft again.
This can be sorted out by the end of next season if done correctly.
Why would you draft a QB before the tank? Generally the tank is to get in position to draft a QB at the top. As it stands now, the Saints are going to be picking outside of the top 10. They are unlikely to get one of the top 3 QBs from that spot. It would be better to tank next season THEN pick your QB if your plan is to "tank".
Basically, if the Saints want to tank they are going to have to (1) stop kicking the cap can down the road; (2) have a fire sale to trade valuable assets (even if they are getting less than they really want in return); accept that things may be really bad for at least a few years.
IMO, I don't think they take that approach next season. I think the change will be a new OC. Carr has been terrible this season. But I don't think anyone can with a high degree of certainty if that is because he just sucks or is hamstrung by a bad OC. The FA will use next season (since they are stuck with Carr anyway) to determine that answer. If Carr is terrible again with a different OC then we will have certainty on that answer.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:27 am to SaintEB
They weren’t rebuilding under Stafford so its not 3 decades. When they traded Stafford is when they actively tried to rebuild the team.
Lol do you know the definition of rebuild? The Texans have not been rebuilding since 1999.
You don’t know the definition of a rebuild to know what the standard is.
Lol do you know the definition of rebuild? The Texans have not been rebuilding since 1999.
You don’t know the definition of a rebuild to know what the standard is.
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:35 am to Alt26
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But I don't think anyone can with a high degree of certainty if that is because he just sucks or is hamstrung by a bad OC. The FA will use next season (since they are stuck with Carr anyway) to determine that answer. If Carr is terrible again with a different OC then we will have certainty on that answer.
Carr hasn't exactly had a stellar career. Hell he had a great RB AND WR last year in Oakland and they basically asked him to stay home. He's now entering his mid 30s. He's not going to have this career resurgence as the number of genuinely good years were pretty small to begin with.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:48 am to Fun Bunch
This is the sad reality we’re in. Because we kicked so much down the road the only option is to keep going and ride a slow death. The question is how do we do that? It seems like the only way forward is to trade every good contract we haven’t restructured. That way we get under cap without kicking the can, get 75c on the dollar in assets and ride it out. Maybe you want the new coach to do this I don’t know?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:05 pm to Fun Bunch
Posters will spend the next 6 months saying the same things tear it down fire everyone and start over. But it's just not changing much roster wise. FO and coaches may be different. They went all in on continuity with viable profits and a good dose of job protection.
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:39 pm to goatmilker
This is a multi year tear down…two to three years…the rebuild is going to be at least a couple years beyond that.
There’s zero reason not to start the tear down now.
There’s zero reason not to start the tear down now.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:51 pm to moneyg
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This is a multi year tear down…two to three years…the rebuild is going to be at least a couple years beyond that.
This FO has to commit to doing that and they have shown no inclination that they will.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:56 pm to Fun Bunch
Yup that is the big problem. As soon as Brees retired and Sean left- this should have been the route- especially without a qb.
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