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My opinion as a football official
Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:30 pm
I USUALLY defend football officials, saying that the vast majority of fans don't know the rulebook like they think they do and don't understand how hard it is to be an official. While these two statements are still true, there is NO DEFENSE for that blown call.
You could have easily called 4 different fouls on that play: DPI, PF: Helmet to Helmet, PF: Unnecessary Roughness, and PF: Defenseless Player.
-At least 2, if not 3, officials had a great view of it, so there's no defense of being blocked from seeing it.
-IF they thought it might have been tipped, they should have thrown the flag and let the Umpire waive it for the tip (that is an Umpire responsibility on pass plays).
-There are bang bang plays that officials pass on, that was not what that was. The defender got there too early for that argument.
There is literally no defense for that. It is either complete incompetence or blatant unprofessionalism (cheating). Or both. I am disgusted as both a Saints fan and as an official.
Now, I am not an NFL official, but I have worked the NFL rulebook, as well as college and high school. I have worked state championships, all star games, and have won the Florida football official of the year. So I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about. I'm also a trainer for the state and I will be using that clip from now on in my classroom as an example of both Pass Interference and Defenseless Player.
You could have easily called 4 different fouls on that play: DPI, PF: Helmet to Helmet, PF: Unnecessary Roughness, and PF: Defenseless Player.
-At least 2, if not 3, officials had a great view of it, so there's no defense of being blocked from seeing it.
-IF they thought it might have been tipped, they should have thrown the flag and let the Umpire waive it for the tip (that is an Umpire responsibility on pass plays).
-There are bang bang plays that officials pass on, that was not what that was. The defender got there too early for that argument.
There is literally no defense for that. It is either complete incompetence or blatant unprofessionalism (cheating). Or both. I am disgusted as both a Saints fan and as an official.
Now, I am not an NFL official, but I have worked the NFL rulebook, as well as college and high school. I have worked state championships, all star games, and have won the Florida football official of the year. So I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about. I'm also a trainer for the state and I will be using that clip from now on in my classroom as an example of both Pass Interference and Defenseless Player.
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Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:36 pm to GOON
The NFL is a joke now. The integrity of the very game in the NFL is in question. The integrity of the NFL officials is in question.
For some reason for which we are left with only speculation, those two NFL officials decided that they would not apply the rules of the game at that decisive point.
We will never know why. We can surmise that they wanted to help the LA Rams. What we cannot reasonably surmise is this: that it was UN-intentional. The visual evidence dismisses any reasonable chance that they made a mistake.
For some reason for which we are left with only speculation, those two NFL officials decided that they would not apply the rules of the game at that decisive point.
We will never know why. We can surmise that they wanted to help the LA Rams. What we cannot reasonably surmise is this: that it was UN-intentional. The visual evidence dismisses any reasonable chance that they made a mistake.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:41 pm to GOON
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IF they thought it might have been tipped, they should have thrown the flag and let the Umpire waive it for the tip (that is an Umpire responsibility on pass plays).
This times 1,000,000,000,000
did any official from the crew actually say they thought it was tipped? ive seen it suggested that the crew might have said that but i havent seen a direct quote.
Because if anyone on the crew tries to suggest they didnt throw the flag because they thought it was tipped its actually an even worse blown call (hard to be any worse to be honest) because they absolutely would be admitting they SAW IT and didnt throw because they thought it was tipped when like you said, you throw the flag and then you ask about the tip and waive it off if needed.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:42 pm to GOON
I think it was kind of like a basketball situation, but in reverse. That is, many times you see a run out in a basketball game and the official is anticipating making a call. Thus, he does, even in situations where there was no foul.
Here, I think the officials internally decided that with the NFC championship winding down, they weren't going to make a call to decide the outcome. Or in other words, they anticipated NOT throwing a flag. Unfortunately, because they had that predetermined mindset, they didn't react when a blatant infraction occurred. In trying to not decide the outcome of the game with a flag, they froze and decided the game by NOT throwing a flag.
Point being, you can't have a predetermined mindset that changes with the situation. If something is a foul in the 1st quarter of week one, it's a foul in the 4th quarter of a championship game.
Here, I think the officials internally decided that with the NFC championship winding down, they weren't going to make a call to decide the outcome. Or in other words, they anticipated NOT throwing a flag. Unfortunately, because they had that predetermined mindset, they didn't react when a blatant infraction occurred. In trying to not decide the outcome of the game with a flag, they froze and decided the game by NOT throwing a flag.
Point being, you can't have a predetermined mindset that changes with the situation. If something is a foul in the 1st quarter of week one, it's a foul in the 4th quarter of a championship game.
This post was edited on 1/21/19 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:43 pm to Champagne
Thanks for the honesty....
totally agree w you.
To me it was more ignored than missed...FWIW
totally agree w you.
To me it was more ignored than missed...FWIW
Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:47 pm to rbdallas
Yeah the officials didn’t miss shite. They blatantly ignored it.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:47 pm to GOON
The lack of a comment from the NFL is the biggest sign of BS. They are a company. A blatant error occurred and they have not acknowledged.
In addition, they cost each roster player on the Saints their Super Bowl Bonus. From a financial standpoint, they owe the Saints the money they would have been compensated for making the Super Bowl. They will not do anything in regards to replaying the game, but they need to compensate them for the officials incompetence.
In addition, they cost each roster player on the Saints their Super Bowl Bonus. From a financial standpoint, they owe the Saints the money they would have been compensated for making the Super Bowl. They will not do anything in regards to replaying the game, but they need to compensate them for the officials incompetence.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:55 pm to Brazos
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Yeah the officials didn’t miss shite. They blatantly ignored it.
Not only were the BJ and the LJ complicit in the no-call, by watching the replay, the Crew Chief was 20 yds away looking directly at the play, with clear line of sight, and did nothing.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:11 pm to Alt26
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I think the officials internally decided that with the NFC championship winding down, they weren't going to make a call to decide the outcome.
And if it’s a call that could go either way, that’s understandable. No gray area on this one, it was cut and dried.
quote:
In trying to not decide the outcome of the game with a flag, they froze and decided the game by NOT throwing a flag.
No excuse there. You throw the flag late. It’s done all the time.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:14 pm to GOON
good post. its just unfathomable.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:27 pm to GOON
Bump
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:28 pm to SportTiger1
Honestly, bad officiating like this hurts me directly because it casts doubt over all football officials. I pride myself on being professional and unbiased, but this distrust trickles down.
I am just dumbfounded.
I am just dumbfounded.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:35 pm to GOON
I've officiated games as well, however not nearly at your level. Setting aside the conspiracy theories, I'm left with two things that I haven't seen discussed.
1) There seems to be a growing sense that the NFL officials, either by instruction or just on their own, seem to "let the players play" more in the playoffs than in the regular season. This is been going on for years. It seems like calls that are made in the regular season are not made in the playoffs, perhaps because the officials don't want to be accused of taking over the game at these high levels of play.
If you want to let the players play, then fine, but do so the whole season. I think it is obscene to call playoff games differently than the regular season.
McVay kind of alluded to the difference in his presser.
2) I think the concept of the crew working together doesn't get enough play. This missed PI was so obvious that I don't think either of the in-sight officials needed help from the other or from another official... but crews often work together on this. It's almost as if the two officials didn't trust each other, and neither one wanted to make the call. Again, this is something we have seen over the years - all-star crews that don't work well together.
I get the desire to have the best officials in the best games. But I really wonder if they should just award the entire regular season crew the assignment. I would like to think there isn't that much of a huge difference from rank 1 to 17 at each position, and the familiarity the crew has with each other may well supersede the slight experience/talent differences.
1) There seems to be a growing sense that the NFL officials, either by instruction or just on their own, seem to "let the players play" more in the playoffs than in the regular season. This is been going on for years. It seems like calls that are made in the regular season are not made in the playoffs, perhaps because the officials don't want to be accused of taking over the game at these high levels of play.
If you want to let the players play, then fine, but do so the whole season. I think it is obscene to call playoff games differently than the regular season.
McVay kind of alluded to the difference in his presser.
2) I think the concept of the crew working together doesn't get enough play. This missed PI was so obvious that I don't think either of the in-sight officials needed help from the other or from another official... but crews often work together on this. It's almost as if the two officials didn't trust each other, and neither one wanted to make the call. Again, this is something we have seen over the years - all-star crews that don't work well together.
I get the desire to have the best officials in the best games. But I really wonder if they should just award the entire regular season crew the assignment. I would like to think there isn't that much of a huge difference from rank 1 to 17 at each position, and the familiarity the crew has with each other may well supersede the slight experience/talent differences.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:37 pm to BARNEYSTINSON
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In addition, they cost each roster player on the Saints their Super Bowl Bonus. From a financial standpoint, they owe the Saints the money they would have been compensated for making the Super Bowl. They will not do anything in regards to replaying the game, but they need to compensate them for the officials incompetence.
Coaches too, and perhaps other front office employees as well. People like Loomis and Ireland may well have a bonus if they make the super bowl.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:39 pm to GOON
I have three years experience as a high school official so I still look for tells. This was easy. With the defender charging the receiver without sight of the ball, I am anticipating a DPI. The timing of the pass is secondary to the position of the defender.
I am dropping the flag. It could be waived off if a fellow official has a tip or is sure the ball was by the receiver.
I am dropping the flag. It could be waived off if a fellow official has a tip or is sure the ball was by the receiver.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:44 pm to GOON
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GOON
Thank you for stepping up and posting this. Would you mind explaining the mechanics of the officiating crew, especially on sideline passes? There seems to be a lack of knowledge on most posters part.
Again, thanks.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 2:46 pm to GOON
The refs had their agenda set.
Posted on 1/21/19 at 3:01 pm to LCA131
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Thank you for stepping up and posting this.
quote:
Would you mind explaining the mechanics of the officiating crew, especially on sideline passes? There seems to be a lack of knowledge on most posters part.
What specifically do you want to know?
When a pass is intended for a receiver on the sideline, typically one official takes ball and the other takes feet. That way they can get together and confirm "did you have a catch?" "Yes", "Did you get feet in?" "Yes" = Catch
Or, both officials take ball and immediately look to the feet once they have a catch. It's a difference in opinion on mechanics and different officials prefer one over the other.
Is that what you were asking?
Posted on 1/21/19 at 3:02 pm to GOON
Damn. I thought this might have been my first post to get only upvotes. I guess there's a Rams fan lurking.
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