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Marcus Davenport, a bust illustrated in one graphic
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:46 pm
By bust I mean bust in canton
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:49 pm to GynoSandberg
Oh man don’t let volkosoby or whatever his name is see this. He will MELT!!!!
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:49 pm to GynoSandberg
Its funny, Chubb is getting all the attention.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:49 pm to GynoSandberg
Giving up a late first for him is going to end up looking like a huge steal.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:50 pm to GynoSandberg
Worth all 17 first round picks
Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:16 pm to BilJ
the Baldy Breakdowns of Davenport were probably my favorite things to watch this year.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:26 pm to GynoSandberg
I like to compare Davenport to that dinosaur in Jurassic Park. He’s just finding out what he’s capable of. Once he figures it all out he’s going to be a terror.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:27 pm to GynoSandberg
People really didn't understand that he was a polished run stuffer and needed work on his pass rushing.
Everyone kept calling him a one dimensional pass rushing project that was going to work in on third down as a pass rushing specialist.
Dude has been a beast against the run all year. He's extremely disciplined at sitting in his gap (even moreso than Jordan) and reads run first on draws very well. Not to mention he has great tackling technique.
As someone who came in with a limited pass rushing tool set and was slow of the snap at times, he had pretty good pass rush productivity despite that.
Next year he should take a huge leap.
Everyone kept calling him a one dimensional pass rushing project that was going to work in on third down as a pass rushing specialist.
Dude has been a beast against the run all year. He's extremely disciplined at sitting in his gap (even moreso than Jordan) and reads run first on draws very well. Not to mention he has great tackling technique.
As someone who came in with a limited pass rushing tool set and was slow of the snap at times, he had pretty good pass rush productivity despite that.
Next year he should take a huge leap.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:37 pm to GynoSandberg
So would you take him over Chubb?
Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:42 pm to LSUlefty
He will have a game changing play in the playoffs... BOOK IT
Posted on 1/2/19 at 6:42 pm to LSUlefty
I would. Davenport is not nearly as polished a pass rusher, so when he develops more he'll be just as good if not better, and he's a better run stuffer.
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:14 pm to bonethug0180
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Dude has been a beast against the run all year. He's extremely disciplined at sitting in his gap (even moreso than Jordan) and reads run first on draws very well. Not to mention he has great tackling technique.
I think the only time he failed at run stopping was vs Tampa Bay where Fitzmagic ran for the 1st.
And he missed 1 sack where he swallowed up Jameis(?) and somehow he escaped.
Other than that, he's a very sound tackler
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:19 pm to GynoSandberg
In a short time we will be discussing how we can fit his salary in lol.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:20 pm to GynoSandberg
i would love to see their data to see how he overcame Chubb's 12 sacks and 16 games played
and that isn't as a criticism of Davenport. Chubb is HIGHLY regarded this year and produced pretty well
and that isn't as a criticism of Davenport. Chubb is HIGHLY regarded this year and produced pretty well
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:21 pm to GynoSandberg
Not trying to derail but we can add
Trequan Smith as having a solid 1st year as well
10th in rookie WR receiving yards
Tied for 3rd in rookie receiving TDs
3rd highest catch % among rookie WRs
Certainly has room to grow but not bad.
Trequan Smith as having a solid 1st year as well
10th in rookie WR receiving yards
Tied for 3rd in rookie receiving TDs
3rd highest catch % among rookie WRs
Certainly has room to grow but not bad.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i would love to see their data to see how he overcame Chubb's 12 sacks and 16 games played
and that isn't as a criticism of Davenport. Chubb is HIGHLY regarded this year and produced pretty well
Not all sacks are created equal.
iirc he's also bad vs the run and his hit/pressures are low.
Meaning he converts a high % but not because he wins its because everyone else does and he gets lucky (similar to kikaha's sacks)
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Not all sacks are created equal
Beasley sacked the quarterback 16 times, but eight of those sixteen were either unblocked or clean-up sacks that owed more to somebody else flushing the quarterback towards where Beasley was than they did to him beating a blocker to make the play.PFF grading takes into account the quality of the play made to get the sack, and excellent plays to defeat blocks will be graded higher than sacks where the quarterback just happened to be flushed past a player as he was being blocked only to get taken down.
Pressures matter
All pass-rushers are trying to sack the quarterback, but even the best will only do so on around three percent of their snaps on the field. Hits and hurries combine with sacks to form a much more robust picture of total pressure generated.
Pressure that does not result in a sack is important too, as just pressuring the quarterback sees an average drop in passer rating of 32.0 points from 94.4 to 61.8 over the past ten years. That’s the equivalent of turning Ben Roethlisberger into Blaine Gabbert just by hurrying him in the pocket.
Beasley led the league in sacks, but was just 18th even among edge defenders, when it comes to total pressures. Compare that to a player like Oakland’s Khalil Mack who led the league with 96 combined sacks, hits and hurries, and Beasley has a significant deficit in total pressure.
When we used our analytics to run numbers to find out just how valuable pressure was compared to sacks, our Expected Points Added data showed that a sack is worth around 2.1 pressures of any other kind. So a player like Mack would only need to have had an extra 11 hits or hurries to have added more value as a pass-rusher than Beasley despite having five fewer sacks over the season. Mack in reality had 40 more pressures, and so had a significantly higher PFF grade than Beasley.
Run defense matters
Mack’s overall grade of 95.2 was also far higher than Beasley’s 74.2 because Khalil Mack was one of the best run defenders in the game, capable of shedding blocks and knifing into the backfield to blow up plays. Beasley wasn’t nearly as accomplished in this area, an area that can get lost in all the talk of sacks, but is counted in the PFF grading.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 8:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Chubb's 12 sacks
Yeah, cause that's all that matters. Read Gynos post above me. It might help you.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 8:42 pm to whodatfan
yeah i specifically asked for the stats. i know what they use but i'm curious what the gaps are
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