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Maddy Hudak Article on JW Injury

Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:58 am
Posted by bayou85
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:58 am
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Winston has fractures in his L1 to L4 vertebrae, known as the lumbar part of his spine. It’s in the lower back, and those vertebrae control a lot, including the communication between your brain and lower body. It also has obvious physical limitations. Because of its location, the lumbar spine after the L2 vertebrae is no longer attached to spinal cord tissue. After that, nerve roots exit each remaining vertebrae.

Winston has four fractures, with two in that nerve root portion. It’s important to note here that we don’t know the specifics or extent of each fracture; the severity dictates the symptoms of injury. But here’s what to expect with each one.

The L1 and L2 vertebrae affect your hips and legs. Injuries there can reduce hip flexion and range of motion, and sometimes a feeling of numbness in your lower body. L3 is where it’s no longer connected to the spinal cord tissue. An injury here now involves nerve roots, leading to a sense of weakness in the lower extremities, and loss of flexibility in your hips, legs, and groin. Numbness and weakness might sound similar, but you retain strength with numbness—you just lose range of motion. Weakness means you actually lose strength; it’s no longer a superficial feeling.

Not only do you have a reduced range of motion, but within those confines, you lose flexibility in your stance. L4 injuries are typically less severe but are important here: it affects your ability to bend your feet as well in a particular direction. Those vertebrae can uniquely affect the play at quarterback.


SaintsWire

Say what you want about how this injury could have caused the turnovers due to lack of strength, why was he on the field?
Posted by WhoDatNC
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:59 am to
If he has these injuries and the staff are aware then I have little faith in them. If he starts at Carolina, I have no faith in them. If Dalton is that bad, why is he on the team?
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 10:00 am
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:15 am to
Yeahhhhh

Playing a QB with a fractured back seems like a bad idea in so many ways.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
22282 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:19 am to
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If he has these injuries and the staff are aware then I have little faith in them

Medical team has a LONG history of misdiagnosing and sending players back before they are ready. And, it's not just this medical team, this has been an ongoing issue for the past few medical teams.

IF JW's injuries are this bad, hate to say it, but someone needs to look into how much influence the front office is having to override the medical team.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
48852 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:21 am to
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If he has these injuries and the staff are aware then I have little faith in them. If he starts at Carolina, I have no faith in them. If Dalton is that bad, why is he on the team?


She also said this.
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My point isn’t to cause alarm, and the team has said there’s no further risk of damage to the already-injured vertebrae. It’s pain management. That’s present every given Sunday at nearly every position on every team. But at quarterback, knowing that Winston’s injuries can affect the nerves that extend to your lower body, it’s hard not to see a correlation to his inaccuracy on deep throws. Injuries are unavoidable in every sport. Every injured player has to have that first game figuring out how injuries affect movement.


She also doesn't describe what was done but I have a suspicion from my wife's experience with multiple vertebral fractures, though hers were 3 thoracic vertebrae.

The wife had a procedure called kyphoplasty. This procedure is typically done when there is a fracture only and not damage to the disc. With that procedure there are no limitations to physical activity after successful completion of the procedure. I think it had to be something like this because otherwise the treatment would be limited activity and a back brace for 6 weeks.

Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
16685 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:28 am to
You think he had back surgery in the past few weeks? This is absurd.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:33 am to
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why was he on the field?

Inexcusable and probably lost the game for the team. He was clearly off in terms of his throws and could not make simple first down runs. That's on the coaches.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:35 am to
How can one have fractures in vertebrae and not be at risk for a further escalation of said fractures?
Posted by GCTigahs
Member since Oct 2014
2619 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:43 am to
Please don't mistake a little research by a "journalist" where she describes a generic injury to an area and compare that to opinions of multiple medical professionals who are treating JW and know exactly what his imaging studies look like.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
48852 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:48 am to
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You think he had back surgery in the past few weeks? This is absurd.


So you obviously did not even bother to look up the procedure I mentioned. The one my wife had after fracturing 3 vertebrae.

This is not traditional surgery. There are no incisions, no stitches.

It is a procedure that uses a balloon the expand the fracture, then using the same needle injects bone cement into the void. You actually spend more time ensuring the cement hardens than the procedure takes. The primary source of pain or soreness after surgery are the places where the needle goes in. Typically the give you tylenol for the pain if there is any.

It would be more absurd to think that the team would allow a man with fractured vertebrae to play in a football game unless the situation was corrected in some way. If they did, shame on them and shame on Winston for taking that risk.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/kyphoplasty
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
10942 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:08 am to
I think they've just trusted him when he says he feels okay. He probably does feel okay, given the treatment and medication that he's likely getting. The problem is that he feels okay, but is performing poorly. I don't think the leash will be longer than another half.
Posted by bayou85
Concordia
Member since Sep 2016
11108 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:25 am to
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Please don't mistake a little research by a "journalist" where she describes a generic injury to an area and compare that to opinions of multiple medical professionals who are treating JW and know exactly what his imaging studies look like.



I guess my question is why would they play him if there is a chance that he is physically more limited at doing QB things when Dalton is right there and wouldn't be a big drop off?
Posted by GCTigahs
Member since Oct 2014
2619 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:41 am to
The answer is they don’t think he’s limited and that he showed in practice leading up to the game that he wasn’t limited.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
20728 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:58 am to
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IF JW's injuries are this bad, hate to say it, but someone needs to look into how much influence the front office is having to override the medical team.



Yep

If this is that bad he should be out for the season.

This is borderline criminal if they put him on the field again.


It’s either BS or criminal
Posted by JRE1980
Member since Aug 2020
547 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:12 pm to
To me, the biggest thing is, why risk getting him injured for the remainder of the season, or his career? Wonder what Dalton thought of the decision.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
16692 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 2:29 pm to
How in the hell did he even get these kinds of fractures?
Posted by JRE1980
Member since Aug 2020
547 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 3:48 pm to
Love getting down-voted for no reason by morons.
Posted by CashMoney504
Member since Mar 2009
218 posts
Posted on 9/22/22 at 4:34 pm to
heard it was transverse process fractures, which hurt, but not a big deal
Posted by ElRoos
Member since Nov 2017
7924 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 6:19 am to
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Say what you want about how this injury could have caused the turnovers due to lack of strength, why was he on the field?


His decision making wasn’t good without the injury. With that being said, he probably shouldn’t be playing with this injury. That’s the reason we signed Dalton I thought.
Posted by hellsu
Northshore via Westbank
Member since Jan 2009
4162 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:12 am to
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heard it was transverse process fractures, which hurt, but not a big deal


This right here. WWL radio interviewed a spine surgeon and this is exactly what he said. Very low risk of further injury. Shoot him with a local.
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