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re: Javonte Williams contract is why Love should not be the pick at 8
Posted on 2/23/26 at 5:18 am to RawDog7984
Posted on 2/23/26 at 5:18 am to RawDog7984
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Jamar chase and the bengals. They instantlly had one of if not the best wr in football and went to the Super Bowl
The Bengals have won 57% of their games when Joe Burrow is healthy. They’ve won 30% of the games when he isn’t. Large sample. Chase isn’t winning them games without the QB in place. He’s Bijan Robinson and Barkley; a top tier weapon without a QB
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You can find them in much later rounds and even as udfa
Such a tired talking point. You can find any position in the later rounds, you just know about the RBs because they touch the ball. What is a top 10 pick for if not for taking an elite talent? I mean, you can grab a Tee Higgins in round 2, why draft a Jamarr Chase? Chase is your Barkley/Bijan, Higgins is your Javonte Williams. Both options are fine, one is elite though
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Posted on 2/23/26 at 6:19 am to VA LSU fan
Do we want the BPA or not. Everyone on here shouts for BPA BPA BPA every year. If Love is there at 8 he's probably the best player available according to literally every board out there right now. But he's a RB so not this time right?
Posted on 2/23/26 at 8:25 am to mindbreaker
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Do we want the BPA or not. Everyone on here shouts for BPA BPA BPA every year. If Love is there at 8 he's probably the best player available according to literally every board out there right now. But he's a RB so not this time right?
This!
Free agency begins before the draft for a reason. Cash/Cap should be spent accordingly on proven veterans & other vets that have shown flashes or at least can be trusted in a defined role. This affords the team the opportunity to draft BPA.
Outside of a handful of prospects a year, it's ridiculous to think drafting a rookie that hasn't played an NFL snap is going to be the savior and immediately put the team into playoffs & title contention. As Gyno has stated the reality is that QB is the only position that can single handedly take a BAD team to a competitive or possibly GOOD team. We were EXTREMELY FORTUNATE to have found that with Shough in Rd 2. No team should be expecting that and setting themselves up for that unless they have a top 3 pick IMO
If we pick up a G and/or DE/DT in free agency I have no problems with drafting Love. Matter of fact I could argue the Saints have made the argument for doing so when you look at Kamara's production & health compared against his elevated contract.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 9:00 am to DiamondDog
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You don't spend the #8 pick on a RB or WR
If Calvin Megatron Johnson was the 8th pick, you'd have to be retarded to pass him up.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 9:10 am to DiamondDog
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Have we learned nothing from Ricky Williams?
There was a running back drafted ahead of Ricky Williams in that draft and people don’t criticize that pick. I don’t know if Ricky or Edge was the better RB, but one had a QB and the other didn’t.
If you have a QB, taking a top RB in the draft is defensible.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 9:51 am to GynoSandberg
It’s a tired talking point to people who can’t comprehend that a running back has a very short life span in the nfl. They aren’t worth much. It’s why they aren’t drafted high on a consistent basis. This isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact. And you’re talking to someone who thinks Love is an incredible back. You literally can’t name a single running back who changes how a defense operates. A running back is at the end of his career for the most part at 28-29 where LTs, guards, WRs, WRs, tight ends, corners, are still in their prime. Why do you honestly think they’re is usually one maybe 2 running backs chosen in the first round compared to ever other position?
Posted on 2/23/26 at 9:56 am to mindbreaker
Is he the bpa? Probably not considering you’re probably choosing between him and downs. With that being said, if Bain/Reese/Bailey are all off the board you have a decision to make. Caleb Downs is the best football player in this draft. His position won’t have him going in the top 3 most likely. Who do you take at 8 of those pass rushers are gone? You can def have an argument for Love but if downs is there Love is not the BPA. Also, Styles is a blue chip prospect as well. I think Styles and Downs are better prospects. Who do the saints have as the BPA? That’s a good question. I wouldn’t draft Love personally there but he will be in discussion of those 3 pass rushers are not available. Not sure why you think it’s so cut and dry.
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 10:02 am
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:09 pm to RawDog7984
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Is he the bpa? Probably not considering you’re probably choosing between him and downs. With that being said, if Bain/Reese/Bailey are all off the board you have a decision to make. Caleb Downs is the best football player in this draft.
Downs and Love are both rated as top 5 prospects and are consistently rated about evenly in most boards. If they are both there and both are ranked evenly then it comes down to what is a bigger need for the team and who the coach wants.
But just stating Downs is the best football player in this draft isn't accurate either Arvell Reese is consistently rated as the top prospect overall. I wouldn't be mad if we pick downs over Love. But i wouldn't melt if we didn't either.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 12:29 pm to mindbreaker
No. Downs is literally the best player in this draft and considering some pundits have Mendoza as the best player in not sure how to look at that because he is not the best player in this draft. They have Reese ranked so high because of his potential and position. Caleb downs has no weakness in his entire game. Hes literally the definition of a can’t miss prospect. I want Reese on this team but he’s never played the position he’s projected to in the nfl and that is a pass rusher and on the edge. I also believe Love is a better prospect than Reese is. But everyone on the planet would take Reese over Love and Downs.
This post was edited on 2/23/26 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 2/23/26 at 7:14 pm to St Augustine
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You’re also getting the absolute BEST and most explosive years of his career.
If we had an even serviceable offensive line then i would say that this would be the best argument to grab Love… unfortunately his talent would be wasted with what we have right now.
would be if we could grab a starting guard in the 3rd or 4th rd? How deep of a draft is it for guards?
Posted on 2/23/26 at 7:30 pm to RawDog7984
At 42 we could backflip into a possible LSU player. Known for speed and bad coaches 
Posted on 2/23/26 at 8:11 pm to goatmilker
Just watched highlights of Love again. The dude is special. I really don’t get how anyone could be mad at adding a talent like him next to Shough.
Posted on 2/23/26 at 8:19 pm to Espritdescorps
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would be if we could grab a starting guard in the 3rd or 4th rd? How deep of a draft is it for guards?
Not sure honestly. However for us to have a great offensive line as part of a good overall team we will eventually have to find and develop some quality linemen from outside the first round.
Posted on 2/24/26 at 5:07 am to jamal
If Love is there at 8, it means the top defenders are gone. We have an offensive guru for HC similar to Payton. He's not passing on Love if there. However don't be surprised if KC jumped us to get him.
Posted on 2/24/26 at 6:41 am to mindbreaker
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Downs and Love are both rated as top 5 prospects and are consistently rated about evenly in most boards.
Most rankings have Downs as either the #1 or #2 prospect available. Love is usually in the top 5 after Downs, Mendoza and Reese. And sometimes after Bain and Bailey.
This post was edited on 2/24/26 at 9:09 am
Posted on 2/24/26 at 7:41 am to RawDog7984
You are really reaching now.
The average career length of any NFL player is ~3 years. What’s the life span of a top 10 RB? RBs with elite size, traits and production are drafted high. There simply isn’t many of them. Love is only 20, studies show RBs fall off as they approach 30. Whoever we draft isn’t going to be on the roster in 10 years.
Dude cmon you cannot be serious
The average career length of any NFL player is ~3 years. What’s the life span of a top 10 RB? RBs with elite size, traits and production are drafted high. There simply isn’t many of them. Love is only 20, studies show RBs fall off as they approach 30. Whoever we draft isn’t going to be on the roster in 10 years.
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You literally can’t name a single running back who changes how a defense operates
Dude cmon you cannot be serious
Posted on 2/24/26 at 7:59 am to RawDog7984
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It’s a tired talking point to people who can’t comprehend that a running back has a very short life span in the nfl. They aren’t worth much. It’s why they aren’t drafted high on a consistent basis. This isn’t an opinion. It’s a fact. And you’re talking to someone who thinks Love is an incredible back. You literally can’t name a single running back who changes how a defense operates.
Maybe this post was relevant 10 years ago. The game is constantly evolving. RBs used to be incredibly valuable then they weren’t. But I’d argue they’re starting to become valuable once again.
Make no mistake, QBs, LTs and pass rushers will still reign supreme but an elite RB won a SB just last year with our HC as the OC. The league is changing. Give our young QB an elite offensive playmaker so he doesn’t have to do everything himself for once
Posted on 2/24/26 at 9:13 am to WicKed WayZ
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Maybe this post was relevant 10 years ago. The game is constantly evolving. RBs used to be incredibly valuable then they weren’t. But I’d argue they’re starting to become valuable once again.
I actually agree with this. Running the ball and playing defense is still a great way to win games. And QB development has taken a nosedive. You don’t have guys who can control a game like Brees, Brady or Manning anymore. Most QBs nowadays seem to be playmakers (Allen, Lamar, JD5, etc.) more than masters of their craft. Burrow seems like one of the few who actually dices up defenses anymore.
Posted on 2/24/26 at 9:33 am to Suntiger
Just throwing this out there: Atlanta's problems are not because they drafted Robinson so high (other needs on their roster notwithstanding.) He should be a difference maker. He's not because they are currently a dysfunctional franchise.
Posted on 2/24/26 at 11:00 am to bstaceyau19
This may upset most saints fans in here but, we have been just as dysfunctional as they have since Payton left. Now it appears we have settled the ship with Moore and Shough but, we still have a long way to go and aren’t out of the woods. We can’t afford a bad draft. I do agree that running backs have gotten back some value recently. Is it because of lack of qb development? IMO not really. The game has evolved and defenses are filled with hybrid players everywhere. Burrow and Allen both are surgical but there were only about 4 QBs who he listed and that imo was the golden era of qbs. Running backs are not what they were 20 years ago but, they’re slightly more valuable than they were 5-6 years ago. They’re still not an overly valuable position. Just look at what they make. The proof is in the numbers.
This post was edited on 2/24/26 at 11:01 am
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