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Is holding on to DA 1 more year actually the right choice?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:18 am
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:18 am
Consider:
Our schedule next year is BRUTAL. The polar opposite of this year's schedule. Unless we see a drastic team turnaround, we are going to lose a lot of games no matter the coach.
Our cap situation is, as always BRUTAL, and its not getting better.
We are stuck with Carr AT LEAST 1 more year, if not 2.
Our roster age is I believe the oldest in the league.
We will have a pick in the teens, at best.
Given all that, what great young coach would want this job? You're set up for complete failure year 1. You're only going to attract hasbeen, neverwas, or desperate.
Meanwhile we have DA, a perfect tank commander. He stinks and we are going to stink.
This job could attract a much better coach next offseason with a more favorable future schedule, a better draft pick, and hopefully a chance to fully rebuild. This is contingent on us not restructuring Carr in a way that forces us to keep him longer than 3 total years.
Our schedule next year is BRUTAL. The polar opposite of this year's schedule. Unless we see a drastic team turnaround, we are going to lose a lot of games no matter the coach.
Our cap situation is, as always BRUTAL, and its not getting better.
We are stuck with Carr AT LEAST 1 more year, if not 2.
Our roster age is I believe the oldest in the league.
We will have a pick in the teens, at best.
Given all that, what great young coach would want this job? You're set up for complete failure year 1. You're only going to attract hasbeen, neverwas, or desperate.
Meanwhile we have DA, a perfect tank commander. He stinks and we are going to stink.
This job could attract a much better coach next offseason with a more favorable future schedule, a better draft pick, and hopefully a chance to fully rebuild. This is contingent on us not restructuring Carr in a way that forces us to keep him longer than 3 total years.
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:24 am to Fun Bunch
It would be a risky strategy as the fan base has completely turned on him and the product. I would rather a new coach come in, play through the brutal schedule, knowing that it will be a lost year next season.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:33 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
Our schedule next year is BRUTAL. The polar opposite of this year's schedule. Unless we see a drastic team turnaround, we are going to lose a lot of games no matter the coach.
Our cap situation is, as always BRUTAL, and its not getting better.
We are stuck with Carr AT LEAST 1 more year, if not 2.
Our roster age is I believe the oldest in the league.
We will have a pick in the teens, at best.
None of that will change with a new HC and staff.
What should happen is DA should be given the opportunity to right the ship. That includes making coaching changes. DA should be called into a meeting with Gayle and Mickey and he should be prepared to explain his vision for improving this team and the teams record.
I disagree with the tankathon folks. If you listened to Jon Stinchcomb the other day he said tanking or losing games on purpose can have a devastating effect on the culture in the locker room.
I think you try to win every game you can but upper management has to take all that in context and not let a bad team losing to a less bad team blind them to the reality of the situation.
Dennis from what I know is a good guy and well liked coach but he's not the tough hammer that CSP was. We may see that change a little this offseason and see DA make some Sean Payton-esk decisions on players and coaches.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:38 am to Snipe
My concern is what a cornered DA will do to save himself. They have already leveraged the future pretty hard. They can still do more damage. Also with solid mid-round picks in 2024, I’d almost take my chances with a new regime. However If Loomis is still here then I guess the draft strategy will be poor either way.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:39 am to PNW_TigerSaint
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My concern is what a cornered DA will do to save himself.
DA isn't the only making decisions to get FAs or trade picks.
That would be Loomis. And Loomis should have no fear of getting fired whatsoever
Posted on 12/14/23 at 9:49 am to Fun Bunch
While we have a tough schedule, we should still be able to compete for the division and a playoff spot (see this year).
Carolina is boned! Fields to atlanta shouldn’t scare anyone. Tampa keeps Baker and he regresses like he usually does. We need to fix our offensive line and find a pass rush and should be able to compete for a playoff spot IF. IF. IF we get a leader as head coach.
Carolina is boned! Fields to atlanta shouldn’t scare anyone. Tampa keeps Baker and he regresses like he usually does. We need to fix our offensive line and find a pass rush and should be able to compete for a playoff spot IF. IF. IF we get a leader as head coach.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:05 am to Snipe
No asst coach candidate is going to take a position under DA, unless the org grossly overpays with a multi year guarantee. Everyone will kow that DA is a dead man walking barring an unreal turnaround.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:21 am to Fun Bunch
Do we start wearing bags now, or wait til next year?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:23 am to Fun Bunch
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Given all that, what great young coach would want this job? You're set up for complete failure year 1.
I'm fine with this if it meant we accept what we our now and being the total overhaul.
The product right now, even in wins is a struggle to watch. I'm OK taking lots of Ls with a new coach if we see the foundation being laid and believe in the coach.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:33 am to Snipe
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I disagree with the tankathon folks. If you listened to Jon Stinchcomb the other day he said tanking or losing games on purpose can have a devastating effect on the culture in the locker room.
Agreed. You can’t just tell players not to try. A lot of these players are still playing for bonuses annd incentives. Most NFL careers are very short (I think the average is like 3.4 years). Not all of these players are going to retire from the league as multi millionaires. Others are playing for their next contract - which could be life altering money. They have to try.
If you want to tank, you need the GM to do that prior to the start of the season. You can’t just tell players 14 weeks into the season to try to lose (not that they need to try). That would get around the league super quick and you’ll both lose players and not be able to attract good ones in FA.
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 10:34 am
Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:40 am to Fun Bunch
The way I see it, let DA coach for one more year, try to get a brand new offensive coordinator and unload as much of the salary cap as possible. Take the hit in 2024. Use next year's draft plus look at the USFL/XFL rosters as possible replacement for the high salary cap veterans
If Allen can scrape together a good season with the different roster and plenty of salary cap for 2025, then so be it. If not then it opens up for a new coach to come in with plenty of salary cap and a high draft pick
If Allen can scrape together a good season with the different roster and plenty of salary cap for 2025, then so be it. If not then it opens up for a new coach to come in with plenty of salary cap and a high draft pick
Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:46 am to Fun Bunch
Yeah I can’t really agree with this. Its almost like you know its going to be a bad season and you’re ok with that to help attract better candidates. The culture is already a complete mess- imagine what one more year of DA/Carr on a harder schedule will do? It’ll complete make it a toxic wasteland which may further alienate candidates. Our cap situation doesn’t get any better the following year and to me keeping DA means he’s not drafting a qb in this year’s qb rich draft. I’m just a firm believer that someone shouldn’t get an additional year if they have clearly shown they can’t do the job. Otherwise, what kind of expectations and message are you sending to people inside the building, players and to the fans? That we are willing to tolerate mediocrity and bad coaching?
Posted on 12/14/23 at 10:55 am to Snipe
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disagree with the tankathon folks. If you listened to Jon Stinchcomb the other day he said tanking or losing games on purpose can have a devastating effect on the culture in the locker room.
this is BS propaganda the FO has given to Underhill and other media. No one is saying you go out and intentionally lose games, but we have a very flawed roster with tons of dead money on the books. Continuing to kick the can for mediocrity is stupid. And guess what? The locker room culture is clearly already shite. So what are we afraid of there?
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What should happen is DA should be given the opportunity to right the ship.
We were told DA was promoted to continue the current culuture established by CSP, he has failed.
DA has a pretty large sample size as a HC to show you he's not the guy. He's not a young HC figuring it out, he clearly hasn't learned from his past failures as a HC. Its senseless to hope and pray he suddenly becomes a respectable locker room presence. In fact, if he suddenly started trying to be a CSP-like hard arse they'd view him as even more of a joke than he currently is.
This post was edited on 12/14/23 at 10:56 am
Posted on 12/14/23 at 11:06 am to Fun Bunch
Need to see better in game management. The lack of situational awareness in the closing management of the game is frustrating to watch. The lack of use of key weapons in the red zone and first and goal is mind boggling.
Games were lost by 1st and goal ineptitude. No adjustments in strategy and play calling led to multiple losses for winnable games. Even setting up a potential winning field goal and making an opponent use their timeouts and calling plays where Taysom could pop a run to dagger clock and the opponent were ignored.
Retaining a head coach that ignores basic offensive strategies and tactics is very painful to watch. Getting beat by a turnover, a penalty, or bad luck is one thing— but a head coach making the same stupid decisions over and over again may be too unbearable for most fans to continue to watch.
Games were lost by 1st and goal ineptitude. No adjustments in strategy and play calling led to multiple losses for winnable games. Even setting up a potential winning field goal and making an opponent use their timeouts and calling plays where Taysom could pop a run to dagger clock and the opponent were ignored.
Retaining a head coach that ignores basic offensive strategies and tactics is very painful to watch. Getting beat by a turnover, a penalty, or bad luck is one thing— but a head coach making the same stupid decisions over and over again may be too unbearable for most fans to continue to watch.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 11:11 am to Fun Bunch
No, mostly because the roster seems to be near mutiny.
We basically have to stick through alot of these deals.
if we keep DA i predict about 3 or 4 trade request from high profile talent. I dont want to lose Kamara, Lattimore and others for 1 more year of DA
We basically have to stick through alot of these deals.
if we keep DA i predict about 3 or 4 trade request from high profile talent. I dont want to lose Kamara, Lattimore and others for 1 more year of DA
Posted on 12/14/23 at 11:32 am to Fun Bunch
Honestly… yeah why not as long as we completely revamp offense staff and DA hands over playcalling to him. Unless we see a promising candidate in the coordinator ranks right now. Ben Johnson, Brian Johnson, and Kellen Moore are guys I’d look at.
We are stuck with Carr and in cap hell next few years regardless. I still say you burn you high first next spring on a QB and sit him for a year or two before finally cutting Carr in 2025.
We are stuck with Carr and in cap hell next few years regardless. I still say you burn you high first next spring on a QB and sit him for a year or two before finally cutting Carr in 2025.
Posted on 12/14/23 at 11:39 am to Fun Bunch
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Our schedule next year is BRUTAL
Nobody has any idea how good or bad those teams will be next year
Posted on 12/14/23 at 11:40 am to Fun Bunch
Also, can you go back to the thread about Moffett on the CC board and answer my question? I’m genuinely curious
Posted on 12/14/23 at 11:46 am to PNW_TigerSaint
This is my biggest concern. I’ve accepted that the next 2-3 years are going to be painful no matter what. Don’t make it worse by allowing Allen to pull desperate trades or moves. Tell him to accept what he gets, make the best out of it, and enjoy his paycheck.
I felt like the move for Carr was an attempt to save his job. That predictably blew up. Don’t let him do something similar
I felt like the move for Carr was an attempt to save his job. That predictably blew up. Don’t let him do something similar
Posted on 12/14/23 at 11:47 am to Fun Bunch
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Our schedule next year is BRUTAL. The polar opposite of this year's schedule. Unless we see a drastic team turnaround, we are going to lose a lot of games no matter the coach.
The schedule is irrelevant.
No NFC south team is good enough for a wildcard. Therefore, winning the division is the only path to the playoffs. Everyone in the division plays the the same schedule, hence the schedule is a non factor
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