re: I want LB Murray or Queen at pick 24

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but we're reaching at 24 for anyone but Murray and hes a mike which we have.

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who is our Mike?

Kiko

edit: better question is who is SAM

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some unknown gadget QB

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So the coaches and players just didn’t watch film that week? He didn’t run for almost 200 yards the week before or bust almost 100 against Auburn two weeks before that?

Get outta here with that. He played that game and was part of the problem. Sounds like a bunch of excuses trying to justify. If we have to do that for our first round pick we in trouble.

Kenneth Murray
-Misdirected out of position multiple times by same play against Kansas State
-Instincts and fit recognition are spotty as inside linebacker
-Desire to make plays clouds judgment on angles

These are some major red flags to me and this guy has a lot of experience at the collegiate level.

Queen is praised for his recognition and instincts. I think Queen is the smarter player and just doesn’t have the experience that Murray has. At this time, Murray is probably a little better run defender but Queen is better in coverage. Queen can pack on some weight and improve his run defense but he has all the tools.

Murray scares me more than Queen. Murray has 3 years experience and still struggles to make reads at the college level. He sounds a lot like Stephone Anthony to me.

Google “Patrick Queen Draft Profile” and read every single scouting report available

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Murray scares me more than Queen. Murray has 3 years experience and still struggles to make reads at the college level. He sounds a lot like Stephone Anthony to me.

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I’ve never once advocated drafting Murray either. Like I said it’s a devalued position in the NFL and I wouldn’t touch either in the first or a position like running back. I would run to the podium to take Simmons in the first though. Not in top 5 though.

From the same article since you hand picked the information you wanted to post:

“He plays fast, physical and with impressive field confidence for a one-year starter. His ability to diagnose and flow are both very rapid, and he operates with excellent body control and balance to gobble up runners as an open-field tackler. His inexperience will show itself in taking on blocks and finding optimal pursuit angles, but that will get cleaned up in time. Queen is next up from LSU's linebacker factory, possessing the same three-down ability to hunt, cover and tackle as those before him. He's an early starter with a sky-high ceiling.“

-Big flashes against Georgia, Oklahoma and Clemson to close the season
-Rapid to diagnose and trigger to the action
-Ability to race ahead of blockers and beat them to the spot
-Play marked by control and balance from anywhere on the field
-Has desired sheriff mentality and disposition as inside 'backer
-Forceful pop to separate from block and tackle
-Pads squared and base wide in lateral scrapes
-GPS linebacker with controlled tracking from gap to gap
-Has impressive contact balance and is a wrap-up finisher as tackler
-Athletic ability to cover tight ends and running backs
-Sudden lateral quickness to close down passing lanes

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Apparently our defensive coaches are just plain dumb. Queen was the best player on the field as a sophomore against the best team in the nation but it was said he was underveloped so after another year of experience and training camp he was still not good enough in the coaches eyes to start as a junior and get significant snaps early in the season

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?

Deion Jones didn’t start for 3 years and was the best defensive rookie in the nfl lol

Alvin Kamara? I’m sure you know his story


Queen showed glimpses as a sophomore, but that doesn’t guarantee him anything. He’s still a young player who had changed positions, in what was a deep LB corps.

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Or maybe Ive just come to the conclusion I don’t want to invest a top 25 pick on a super bowl ready team on a developmental player that wasn’t good enough to start in his coaches eyes at a position that is very devalued in the nfl.....

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He didn’t start at the beginning of the year but by the end of the season had emerged as the best LB on the best LB corps in LSU history.

This board has some dumb fricks on it. You’re no better than the guy judging Diggs off of 4 reps against ja’marr chase

Why do people get caught up in who starts and who doesn't at a position like LB...it's not like he never saw the field early on. He just rotated in with the other good linebackers for LSU

Anyone who watched LSU this year and thought Queen wasn't one of the most important players on the LSU defense wasn't paying attention