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re: Attorney for Smith family / Attorney for Hayes l Press Conference Recap
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:08 am to lsupride87
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:08 am to lsupride87
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:10 am to lsupride87
.45 cal. Other two were a 9mm and a revolver. Pretty cut n dry but I get what you are saying.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:10 am to 5Alive
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Both guns not fired
Yeah I don't know what the lawyer is insinuating...seems like a very low possibility of another shooter. It's not far fetched to think he's just been throwing shite at the wall this whole time, and had more hits than misses.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:10 am to 5Alive
quote:I think he was insinuating a former cop
Fuller is banking on a witness saying that a cop might have messed with the scene.
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Fuller also raised a new possibility of “untoward” behavior on the crime scene that prevented the police from finding the gun immediately — activity for which he said a former cop may be responsible.
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The person who committed the untoward activity was identified. I showed the witness a photograph and she said, ‘Yes, that’s him,’ ” Fuller said. Fuller would not say whether he was referring to Billy Ceravolo, a retired NOPD captain who had dined with Smith at Sake that night and who was at the scene after the shooting.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:11 am to Pendulum
Lawyer us saying a cop messed with the scene and he has witnesses that will testify that.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:11 am to BigBrod81
quote:It has not been confirmed by ballistics that a .45 caused the wounds to the Smiths, nor has the ballistics shown which gun. That is a fact. Im sorry
.45
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:12 am to Pendulum
That's my guess as well.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:13 am to BigBrod81
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Yet the chances that Will was still moving in the direction to the driver side where he finally came to rest is high, correct? It means Hayes was hitting a moving target. Just how close Hayes was exactly is unknown but he still manages to hit Smith in the same vacinity with all 8 of his shots while two shots gets away hitting Mrs. Smith in almost the same spot on both thighs?
hayes was extremely close to smith as it appears that the majority bullet casings can be seen around wills feet. if hayes was standing next to his car there is no way that the bullet casings would all fly forward and land near smiths feet.
also the cars on the sides of the street only allowed for what was essentially a small alley between the 3 cars involved in the accident and the cars parked against the curb.
you can see the distance between the 2 vehicles and can also the casings near smiths feet here.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 11:21 am
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:14 am to 5Alive
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Lawyer us saying a cop messed with the scene and he has witnesses that will testify that.
Which would conveniently mean almost nothing is provable. I'm thinking he's just saying whatever he can to create doubt. The guy is no fool, burden is on the state to prove beyond reasonable doubt. I sure hope the nopd didnt fk this up.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:18 am to WhoDat37
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If she was shot first, and they have witnesses and forensics to back it up, it would crush it. We have no idea of that is what happened.
DNA (blood trail) should be able to determine where Mrs. Smith was standing when she was shot. Only an eyewitness(es) or the shooter himself would be able to who was actually shot first. Maybe it could be determined from forensics by determining who was where, at what time & reenacting the chain of events.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:19 am to Rocky4LSU
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Lester, are you telling me if he had a mag that held 19 rounds he would have been right to put all 17 in his back?
that is quite drastic. If for some reason the threat wasnt neutralized after 17 rounds, then yes, keep shooting.
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The threat was neutralized after 2 45s in the body
and you know this how, mate?
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:20 am to BigBrod81
Let's all hope that it works like TV and the ballistic experts are able to completely map the trajectory and track of every bullet fired using all the evidence. It kind of makes me sick to think we will never know for sure what happened, so here's to the prayer that some un-revealed evidence is substantial.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:21 am to lsupride87
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has not been confirmed by ballistics that a .45 caused the wounds to the Smiths, nor has the ballistics shown which gun. That is a fact. Im sorry
Right, but right now it seems silly to assume that the police covered up and committed a felony to protect a dead Will Smith.
So, as it stands now and until proven otherwise, the only gun fired at the scene was Hayes
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:22 am to BigBrod81
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They also teach to shoot an unarmed bystander twice too?
nope, this is the one questionable thing that still isn't making sense and is hard to defend without any details. We dont know any specifics around this yet besides her wound points.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:23 am to Lester Earl
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Lester, are you telling me if he had a mag that held 19 rounds he would have been right to put all 17 in his back?
So 8/13 shots hit Will and you compare it to 17/19. Hyperbole?
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:26 am to Pendulum
I missed the part of Fuller's press conference where he said Hayes adored Smith and didn't know it was him. You had a face to face argument with him and didn't know it was him and you adored him?? He hasn't changed much since his playing days. Odd.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:27 am to Lester Earl
If it turns out he did shoot Mrs. Smith, and in fact he shot her first, Hayes case becomes extremely freaking difficult
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:28 am to WhoDat37
The idea of some grand police coverup seems disturbingly plausible to some but I'm going to need more than Fuller's innuendo to be convinced. Not sure this idea is given so much credence when we already know Hayes lied to his attorney about the 911 call.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:28 am to diat150
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hayes was extremely close to smith as it appears that the majority bullet casings can be seen around wills feet. if hayes was standing next to his car there is no way that the bullet casings would all fly forward and land near smiths feet.
Well that could mean two things if true. One, it would mean Hayes possibly followed Smith toward Smith's SUV depending on where the intial argument began. That would make self defense harder to prove.
Secondly, it would make the stray bullet theory of Mrs. Smith almost impossible. She would have had to have been between the two before being shot twice herself then crawl with a shattered femur to the passenger side.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:28 am to lsupride87
Hayes will spend his days on the farm.
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