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re: Attorney for Smith family / Attorney for Hayes l Press Conference Recap
Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:39 am to BigBrod81
Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:39 am to BigBrod81
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Mrs. Smith never was a threat to Hayes yet she was shot too. That alone is going to make Hayes claim of self defense null & void.
Only if the prosecution can PROVE that she was the target.
If she was shot first, and they have witnesses and forensics to back it up, it would crush it. We have no idea of that is what happened.
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:39 am to Lester Earl
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unload a weapons until the threat is neutralized(aka shoot to kill).
They also teach to shoot an unarmed bystander twice too?
Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:39 am to BigBrod81
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Mrs. Smith never was a threat to Hayes yet she was shot too. That alone is going to make Hayes claim of self defense null & void
I really don't think, unless ballistics evidence solves this somehow, that we will ever be able to confirm that hayes was deliberately shooting racquel. So it wont be null and void on an assumption.
There's so much of this case that is going to be hard to prove unless there is multiple eye witnesses that are neutral and have collaborating stories.
Outside of a court of law, the assumption is probably correct though.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:43 am to Pendulum
Look at the diagram of where both were shot man. Look at the height difference of the two. Mrs. Smith wasn't hit by stray bullets.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:45 am to BigBrod81
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Look at the diagram of where both were shot man. Look at the height difference of the two. Mrs. Smith wasn't hit by stray bullets.
Now how are you going to prove that. There isn't enough info to know that yet
Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:48 am to WhoDat37
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Now how are you going to prove that. There isn't enough info to know that yet
because he just knows. just like he knew in the other case the jury didnt believe the shooters story because he lied and hid a witness that was in the vehicle.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:51 am to BigBrod81
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Look at the diagram of where both were shot man. Look at the height difference of the two. Mrs. Smith wasn't hit by stray bullets.
Will smith is 75" tall, I'm going to estimate that the center of his wounds is somewhere around 55" safely. I dont know how tall raquel is but I'll assume 53 inches or so (thats 4'6" which is really short so if shes taller, it just supports this even more), so her wounds are at like 24" say.
If they are standing 6 ft away from each other. Geometry tells us that's barely a 20 degree angle change. That's an awfully small angle when you consider recoil and an amateur shooter...Hardly concrete enough to draw any facts from.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 10:53 am
Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:54 am to Pendulum
The likelihood of hitting both legs seems extremely improbable though for stray bullets. I just don't know enough about their positions to say it can be disproven.
The whole assault with vehicle thing will have to be overcome. If there really are skid marks, that should help.
The whole assault with vehicle thing will have to be overcome. If there really are skid marks, that should help.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:57 am to WhoDat37
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Now how are you going to prove that. There isn't enough info to know that yet
Will was shot 7 times in the upper left side of his back & once to the left of upper chest. Mrs. Smith was shot in both of her upper legs. You mean to tell me that all of Will's bullet wounds are bunched closely together yet the shooter just so happens to miss twice shooting her both thighs just by chance?
Had Will's wounds been spread out more over his entire body, I could see the stray bullet argument but that isn't the case here.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 10:57 am to WhoDat37
Hayes attorney has insinuated he is not the person that shot Mrs. Smith
Ballistics will let us know
Ballistics will let us know
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:01 am to WhoDat37
Fuller is banking on a witness saying that a cop might have messed with the scene.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:01 am to BigBrod81
Assuming he unloaded his gun and no 1 bullet hit both smith and racquel, there's 3 bullets that missed everyone completely, so that spread might be wider than you think. We will be able to draw more conclusions when it's confirmed how many rounds were fired. Again, you are most likely right, and I believe it as well, but hopefully there is more info coming bc what we have now is not enough for that assumption to approach a fact.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:02 am to lsupride87
Ballistics already came back and said that smith gun was not fired. Unless will had two guns and one wasn't found.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:05 am to 5Alive
Was it confirmed that hayes other gun wasn't fired? I can't remember.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 11:06 am
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:06 am to Pendulum
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Will smith is 75" tall, I'm going to estimate that the center of his wounds is somewhere around 55" safely. I dont know how tall raquel is but I'll assume 53 inches or so (thats 4'6" which is really short so if shes taller, it just supports this even more), so her wounds are at like 24" say.
Yet the chances that Will was still moving in the direction to the driver side where he finally came to rest is high, correct? It means Hayes was hitting a moving target. Just how close Hayes was exactly is unknown but he still manages to hit Smith in the same vacinity with all 8 of his shots while two shots gets away hitting Mrs. Smith in almost the same spot on both thighs?
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:07 am to lsupride87
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Hayes attorney has insinuated he is not the person that shot Mrs. Smith
Ballistics will let us know
I mean, at this point, that seems like a huge, huge stretch and conspiracy
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:07 am to BigBrod81
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Yet the chances that Will was still moving in the direction to the driver side where he finally came to rest is high, correct? It means Hayes was hitting a moving target. Just how close Hayes was exactly is unknown but he still manages to hit Smith in the same vacinity with all 8 of his shots while two shots gets away hitting Mrs. Smith in almost the same spot on both thighs?
It's also possible Will was bending down into the driver side of car to get gun, meaning the wounds are much closer in vicinity.. see what I'm saying, we don't know shite man. However, that could be determined from bullet tracks later.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 11:09 am
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:07 am to 5Alive
quote:I am saying there have been no ballistics testing on which type of bullet/gun causes the wounds in each person
Ballistics already came back and said that smith gun was not fired. Unless will had two guns and one wasn't found.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:08 am to Pendulum
No, the revolver was not fired.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:08 am to Pendulum
Both guns not fired
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