27 years of aggressive draft strategy

Loomis has never once traded down in his entire time with the Saints. I don't expect him to start.

I get having a philosophy and that is great.

But you have to be adaptable to the current situation. When you are great, and your roster is great: trade up, get specific players.

When you stink, you are in a bad cap situation, and your team lacks depth...perhaps shift strategies and get more guys in the door.

That is so pathetic. Meanwhile Seattle and especially New England had many Super Bowl trips while employing the opposite strategy.

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And that trade back was also bad... 

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It was.....

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Loomis has never once traded down in his entire time with the Saints. I don't expect him to start.

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Technically in 2007 he traded the No. 58 for No. 66 and No. 145.

Lions
58 - Ikaika Alama-Francis - DE Hawaii

Saints
66 - Usama Young - DB - Kent St.
145 - David Jones - DB - Wingate

I have no problem with not trading back. My issue is that we are aggressive in trading up and never recoup the assets it cost us with an occasional trade back.

I have no problem with taking the guy you have a high grade on, but we have had so many whiffs in the past few years, you either need to change your scouting process or take more picks hoping one works out.

Well said. The misses drive me insane. IMO, there is no QB to trade to pick 1.1 for but pick 1.3 or 1.4 for DT Grahm wouldn't hurt my feelings.

Can we figure in how many UDFA’s we’ve hit on when balancing this out? Mickey & co deserve credit for this also.

credit is never given. Non stop BASHING. And I'm not denying the crap they do wrong, but the things that work out never get discussed.

In terms of drafting, I feel like you could add Zach Baun to the list. I give the front office credit for drafting reasonably well, especially in later rounds. But the refusal to trade down and the over-reliance on trading up annoys me.

It would make for a cool article to rate from offices on “drafting in rounds 3-UDFA” with points assigned for games played, started, etc. I would not be surprised if Saints were top half in doing so over the last decade or so.

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I feel like you could add Zach Baun to the list.

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This is what the conversation revolved around; the great job of the scouting department being crushed due to the ineptitude of the coaching staff.

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It would make for a cool article to rate from offices on “drafting in rounds 3-UDFA” with points assigned for games played, started, etc. I would not be surprised if Saints were top half in doing so over the last decade or so.

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That would be a great article. I know there was one that we discussed last offseason about the success of 1st rounders; however, the fault in that analysis was that success was defined solely by whether or not that player signed a 2nd contract with the team that drafted them. Basically, players like Peat would be successes, and Baun (although a 3rd rounder) would be deemed a failure.

It would also shock a lot of people that only follow a few teams "how bad" all teams are at drafting, and even though 250+ players get drafted each year, the average length of a career is still roughly 3.5 years. And when you think about how many players are playing 8+ years, you have to figure those that don't make it to a 2nd contract have to be less than 3 years (maybe even 2.5)