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Zion can’t fix this mess.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 3/14/23 at 7:54 pm
With so much to play for and at home? I don’t see Zion being this much of a difference maker. So bad I find myself pulling for the other team.
Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:00 pm to waycooljr123
Zion will never be the answer, he doesnt play enough
Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:24 pm to waycooljr123
quote:
Zion can’t fix this mess
With him in the lineup we’d be at least where Sacramento is, and definitely wouldn’t be quitting
Posted on 3/14/23 at 8:44 pm to chalmetteowl
Between his chronic right side/leg issues and 'load management...how many games is Zion expected to play per season.....8,9...or double digit like 13,14,15 LOL I'm sure glad I did not fall for all that marketing mojo !
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:22 am to tickfawtiger
$250 million guaranteed?
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:41 am to waycooljr123
quote:Well, we were the 1 seed after nearly a half season when he did play, so I'd think we wouldn't be outside of the play in if he were healthy.
don’t see Zion being this much of a difference maker
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:51 am to shel311
quote:
Well, we were the 1 seed after nearly a half season when he did play, so I'd think we wouldn't be outside of the play in if he were healthy.
This
Don’t underestimate the psychological impact on his teammates. That’s why he was the #1 pick
Posted on 3/15/23 at 1:11 am to chalmetteowl
Sac runs an equal opportunity ball movement offense with 5 legitimate shooters around their 2 stars that are never injured. We have 1 legitimate shooter around 2 stars that are always injured.
Lyles, Huerter, Monk, Barnes, Keegan can all shoot the shite out of the ball. And I’m probably forgetting a plus shooter or 2 that they have. Usually at least 2 or 3 of those guys is on fire during a given night. Trey is either on fire for us or he’s not. That’s all we have from outside.
Point is. Sacramento is a lot better than us and it’s not particularly close.
Lyles, Huerter, Monk, Barnes, Keegan can all shoot the shite out of the ball. And I’m probably forgetting a plus shooter or 2 that they have. Usually at least 2 or 3 of those guys is on fire during a given night. Trey is either on fire for us or he’s not. That’s all we have from outside.
Point is. Sacramento is a lot better than us and it’s not particularly close.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 1:12 am
Posted on 3/15/23 at 7:28 am to waycooljr123
Zion needs to be traded for pieces that can help the franchise. He's obviously not one of them.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 8:25 am to Giantkiller
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Zion needs to be traded for pieces that can help the franchise. He's obviously not one of them.
Good luck with that. He's a borderline bad contract at this point. Who is lining up to pay him 200 million when he's played 29 games in 2 years?
Posted on 3/15/23 at 8:54 am to waycooljr123
quote:
Zion can’t fix this mess.
If he's healthy he's shown he can. What makes a superstar a superstar isn't scoring a bunch of points, it's making your teammates better because you score a bunch of points.
However, Zion papering over problems doesn't make the problems go away, and this team does have problems. The important thing is not to panic and make rash moves because what we are seeing are separate problems stacking together, so it's not as dire as it seems.
Coaching. Gentry, SVG and Willie Green have more or less the same support staffs. That's kind of nonsensical that a young coach and 2 veteran coaches would have the same staffs. They tend to need very different things. We hear great things about this staff so I'm not sure who you get rid of if anyone, but at the very least you need to swap out D'Antoni's Summer Camp Consulting for a full time Offensive Coordinator.
Modern Center. Teams attack your weakness, and the Pels
biggest weakness is JV defending in space. He had a -25 in 15 minutes. Larry was a +10 in 22 minutes. This goes back to coaching, but I don't understand how JV wasn't shifted to a bench role months ago. They already do it for finishing, and publicly at least, JV is the most "whatever the team needs from me to win" guy on the team.
Shooting. The team definitely can use more consistent shooting, but I've said it before, how do you get a shooter that Willie will play? It goes back to coaching and Willie constantly making defense first rotation decisions, except when it comes to starting JV.
I think all 3 need to be addressed, but to me Coaching is the biggest issue. With the connection Willie has made with the team, I don't think you fire him. But you absolutely have to get an assistant that will install an offense to make better use of the players on the court, and hopefully someone that could persuade Willie to have more balanced lineups.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 6:30 am to waycooljr123
You right - you have to play to help fix anything.
I said before the year BI and Zion needed to play at least 65 games each for us to be our best.
And I don't think that's a lot to ask but neither came close and honestly I don't think either of them ever will.
When your two best players hardly ever play together and both miss more than half a season's worth of games - you ain't fixing anything.
I said before the year BI and Zion needed to play at least 65 games each for us to be our best.
And I don't think that's a lot to ask but neither came close and honestly I don't think either of them ever will.
When your two best players hardly ever play together and both miss more than half a season's worth of games - you ain't fixing anything.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 7:54 am to waycooljr123
My prediction from 7-5-2022
re: What’s your confidence level in Zion? - MizunoDude on 7/5/22 at 7:30 pm
Zero. Will never finish a full season and will be out of the league after 6 years...
Edit to correct the record: I wavered on time, but sentiment is there -
re: Shams: Zion is sitting tonight - MizunoDude on 8/7/20 at 5:58 pm
Zion will not play many “ Full seasons”. Injury prone and will Benoit of the league in 3 years..........
re: What’s your confidence level in Zion? - MizunoDude on 7/5/22 at 7:30 pm
Zero. Will never finish a full season and will be out of the league after 6 years...
Edit to correct the record: I wavered on time, but sentiment is there -
re: Shams: Zion is sitting tonight - MizunoDude on 8/7/20 at 5:58 pm
Zion will not play many “ Full seasons”. Injury prone and will Benoit of the league in 3 years..........
This post was edited on 3/16/23 at 8:44 am
Posted on 3/16/23 at 8:08 am to MizunoDude
zion being on the floor is the great planet Jupiter.
all that gravity gets shooters open looks.
but... my issue for a couple years is that he's not been healthy enough to practice learning shots. having foot injuries meant no Jump shot practice.
so he's only a tad better basketball player than he was day1. he finally showed some mid range the day of his last game.
if he has a healthy summer maybe he comes up with a Lopez 28 foot set shot.
as is he's a one trick pony power player in a video game league.
if both zion and ingram play a few games to finish they become good enough to win play in.
at this point I admit to hoping for a top 3 pick even though the chances would be .0xx if pels at 12th or so come lottery.
all that gravity gets shooters open looks.
but... my issue for a couple years is that he's not been healthy enough to practice learning shots. having foot injuries meant no Jump shot practice.
so he's only a tad better basketball player than he was day1. he finally showed some mid range the day of his last game.
if he has a healthy summer maybe he comes up with a Lopez 28 foot set shot.
as is he's a one trick pony power player in a video game league.
if both zion and ingram play a few games to finish they become good enough to win play in.
at this point I admit to hoping for a top 3 pick even though the chances would be .0xx if pels at 12th or so come lottery.
This post was edited on 3/16/23 at 8:15 am
Posted on 3/16/23 at 8:52 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:
Point is. Sacramento is a lot better than us and it’s not particularly close.
IMO when they are playing both Zion and BI are better than anyone on the Kings roster, and CJ is equal or close.
The issue with the Pels is not roster quality when everyone is healthy, it’s the fragility of the roster due to lack of a backup for our best player and over reliance on defenders that are questionable shooters (you need some of those guys but the Pels have too many).
quote:
having foot injuries meant no Jump shot practice.
That’s not entirely true, there are form practices that can be done. They are tedious and boring but when injured is the perfect time to lean into them.
***Stuff like (1) laying on your back and shooting the ball straight up over your head, catch repeat about a thousand times a day, (2) swish drills standing on the lane boxes, (3) chair drills..shooting from a chair, (4) free throws, etc…there are tons and tons of shooting drills that don’t require use of the lower body, and Zion has a hammy issue so it’s not like he has to be non load bearing. If anything he should be doing tons of shooting practice.
If Zion doesn’t show up with an improved motion and jump shot after all the time off he has had the last two years, then it’s one more indictment of the training staff and Zion for simply not putting in the work.
This post was edited on 3/16/23 at 9:09 am
Posted on 3/16/23 at 8:52 am to waycooljr123
I mean The entire team is built around what Zion does.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:16 am to SammyTiger
quote:
I mean The entire team is built around what Zion does.
Not really though
Thats part of the problem, and probably not helping his injury proneness either.
If you were to imagine the ideal team around Zion it would probably look something like this:
Guard: Larger two-way on/off ball guard ala Tyrese Haliburton/Cade Cunningham. Guards that are natural point guards but can play off ball letting Zion cook and kick out.
Wings: Two Way, lengthy, can hit the three at good percentages and high volume, moves the ball well ala Mikal Bridges, ideally one can get their own shot
Center: Rim Protecting, switchable, good rebounder, can ideally step out and hit threes. Al Horford in his prime.
BI kinda fits one of the wing molds you'd like, just needs to take more threes and less contested long twos.
The rest? Not really. CJ is workable but is not a natural facilitator and not a good defender. Trey is honestly the closest we have on the roster to that other ideal wing, if he can take a leap defensively. But center is a mess and guard and wing depth(from a Zion fit perspective) and shooting overall are a mess.
This post was edited on 3/16/23 at 9:21 am
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:22 am to Bronc
gee bronc
holy hell where do we clone Halliburton?
we saw Memphis offer 4 #1s and a starter for mikal. they were hung up on.
sure pels would be better with Halliburton clone and mikal clone.
holy hell where do we clone Halliburton?
we saw Memphis offer 4 #1s and a starter for mikal. they were hung up on.
sure pels would be better with Halliburton clone and mikal clone.
This post was edited on 3/16/23 at 9:29 am
Posted on 3/16/23 at 9:42 am to CelticDog
I'm not saying you can go get him(though we might have had a shot at one point), but those to me are the ideal archetypes.
Obviously its probably not possible to get everything, like finding a prime Al Horford, who doesn't really exist right now. But you'd ideally build toward checking off as many of those boxes as possible.
And right now the two biggest are shooting and switchable rim protection without sacrificing too much rebounding.
Which is why I think Griff has some tough decisions. fan favorites like Jose, Naji, Billy, Herb, Kira, JV, and maybe even Dyson if another offseason doesn't show meaningful shooting progress, probably need to be on the table to put better fitting pieces around our core....IF we are committed to this core.
Obviously its probably not possible to get everything, like finding a prime Al Horford, who doesn't really exist right now. But you'd ideally build toward checking off as many of those boxes as possible.
And right now the two biggest are shooting and switchable rim protection without sacrificing too much rebounding.
Which is why I think Griff has some tough decisions. fan favorites like Jose, Naji, Billy, Herb, Kira, JV, and maybe even Dyson if another offseason doesn't show meaningful shooting progress, probably need to be on the table to put better fitting pieces around our core....IF we are committed to this core.
This post was edited on 3/16/23 at 9:45 am

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