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re: Zion and Ingram with some dudes in Pels jerseys vs Pacers
Posted on 11/2/24 at 4:55 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 11/2/24 at 4:55 am to GOP_Tiger
Lopez:
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Tonight was only the second time that Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram each had 25 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists in the same game.
The other was back on Feb. 24, 2021 in a win over the Detroit Pistons.
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Posted on 11/2/24 at 5:10 am to GOP_Tiger
It seems that the Center rotation is set, playing those 3 primary guys, and only one at a time.
So Missi, Thies, and JRE combined for 48 minutes, went 4/12 (no FTs), 9pts, 18rbs, 1 blk.
That's solid enough. We can get by with that, for now.
So Missi, Thies, and JRE combined for 48 minutes, went 4/12 (no FTs), 9pts, 18rbs, 1 blk.
That's solid enough. We can get by with that, for now.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 8:10 am to brmark70816
Combined +/- so far this season:
Theis +12
Missi -17
JRE -27
And JRE has managed that number in far fewer minutes than Theis or Missi. I just don't understand the appeal of playing JRE.
Theis +12
Missi -17
JRE -27
And JRE has managed that number in far fewer minutes than Theis or Missi. I just don't understand the appeal of playing JRE.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 8:16 am to GOP_Tiger
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I just don't understand the appeal of playing JRE.
Willie baw......Willie
Posted on 11/2/24 at 8:21 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 11/2/24 at 8:29 am to GOP_Tiger
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Hey, is it time yet for people to start bumping the umpteen threads where people insisted that there was no way that BI would change his shot profile?
Shel is awfully quiet about this so far
Posted on 11/2/24 at 8:54 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:Sure, if you don't want to talk about his free throw rate
Hey, is it time yet for people to start bumping the umpteen threads where people insisted that there was no way that BI would change his shot profile?
It's like the thread about Zion expanding his game, not entirely helpful to expand his array of shots if he's less efficient and scores less. That's the Zion part.
For Ingram, changing his shot profile is supposed to be sacrificing middies for more 3s. So far, he's sacrificed getting to the line for more 3s.
BI's FT Rate was over 30% in each of the last 3 seasons. It is currently at 12%, and thus his scoring efficiency is the same as it was the past 2 seasons. We're not talking about small dip, we're talking about a massive fall off. It's only 5 games, small sample size, but certainly something worth keeping an eye on, and it'll be necessary to get it back up to around 30% to improve his scoring efficiency.
If he puts it all together, then he'll obviously need to be commended for that. Same as if Zion puts it all together with his changing shot profile, if it allows him to score 30ppg at a minimal dip in efficiency.
This post was edited on 11/2/24 at 8:56 am
Posted on 11/2/24 at 8:58 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:I'm on vacation and my phone died... both of those are actually true.
Shel is awfully quiet about this so far
But also, when the heck was I quiet before yesterday?
This post was edited on 11/2/24 at 8:58 am
Posted on 11/2/24 at 9:07 am to GOP_Tiger
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Combined +/- so far this season: Theis +12 Missi -17 JRE -27 And JRE has managed that number in far fewer minutes than Theis or Missi. I just don't understand the appeal of playing JRE.
Missi’s +/- is definitely deceptive given he hasn’t been starting and the amount of quality players we have been missing, but that Theis number does actually surprise me a bit
Posted on 11/2/24 at 9:13 am to shel311
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Sure, if you don't want to talk about his free throw rate It's like the thread about Zion expanding his game, not entirely helpful to expand his array of shots if he's less efficient and scores less. That's the Zion part. For Ingram, changing his shot profile is supposed to be sacrificing middies for more 3s. So far, he's sacrificed getting to the line for more 3s. BI's FT Rate was over 30% in each of the last 3 seasons. It is currently at 12%, and thus his scoring efficiency is the same as it was the past 2 seasons. We're not talking about small dip, we're talking about a massive fall off. It's only 5 games, small sample size, but certainly something worth keeping an eye on, and it'll be necessary to get it back up to around 30% to improve his scoring efficiency. If he puts it all together, then he'll obviously need to be commended for that. Same as if Zion puts it all together with his changing shot profile, if it allows him to score 30ppg at a minimal dip in efficiency.
I don’t disagree but like also you know what helps free throw rate?
Not having an insanely clogged lane so you can actually drive
You know what helps unclog a lane?
Not missing literally all of your shooters except Hawkins
Also, on some level if his rim rate is still similar to what it has been but his free throw rate is substantially lower, that falls more on the other teams and the officiating than him
All he can do is drive and get to the rim. He can’t guarantee contact or a foul call
What is his rim rate rn compared to career/last year? Obviously extremely small sample size but I’m interested to know
Posted on 11/2/24 at 9:34 am to shel311
“ BI's FT Rate was over 30% in each of the last 3 seasons. It is currently at 12%, and thus his scoring efficiency is the same as it was the past 2 seasons.”
Interesting stuff but I have a sense (no data) that BI’s higher FT rate in the last depended on pounding the dribble which would stop the ball causing our defense to stagnate. So, yes, higher FT rate is good but I worry about the secondary effects and definitely welcome Ingram putting up more threes.
Interesting stuff but I have a sense (no data) that BI’s higher FT rate in the last depended on pounding the dribble which would stop the ball causing our defense to stagnate. So, yes, higher FT rate is good but I worry about the secondary effects and definitely welcome Ingram putting up more threes.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 9:36 am to shel311
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BI's FT Rate was over 30% in each of the last 3 seasons. It is currently at 12%, and thus his scoring efficiency is the same as it was the past 2 seasons. We're not talking about small dip, we're talking about a massive fall off. It's only 5 games, small sample size, but certainly something worth keeping an eye on, and it'll be necessary to get it back up to around 30% to improve his scoring efficiency.
I know you didn't watch last night, but the majority of ingrams middies now, if not the vast majority, are because the play broke down and we need him to bail us out. I'm OK with that.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 9:41 am to whatiknowsofar
BI hater here. I thought he played very well last night.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 9:47 am to Terrific Tales
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you know what helps free throw rate?
Not having an insanely clogged lane so you can actually drive
You know what helps unclog a lane?
Not missing literally all of your shooters except Hawkins
Trey will make BI look better, just like he will make Zion look better.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 9:54 am to ghost2most
We're gonna have to revisit some contract stuff with Ingram if he's doing this for 20 plus games
Posted on 11/2/24 at 9:56 am to whatiknowsofar
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I know you didn't watch last night, but the majority of ingrams middies now, if not the vast majority, are because the play broke down and we need him to bail us out. I'm OK with that.
He’s always been that way. He takes more shots in the last 8 seconds of the shot clock than just about every other scorer in the league. It’s partly his fault too, as well as the teams pathetic slow offense and stupid initial sets that hardly ever work.
How many times a game do we literally do nothing and then there’s 10-12 seconds left and we go oh shite we need to get going?
I do like that we are running BI off screens and passing him the ball around the FT line. That’s a mid range shot I like, and he’s been getting to the goal off those plays as well.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:23 am to TeddyPadillac
Last note I have about last night's game, but there were multiple alley oops to zion where his head was rim level, and i don't think he was doing a max jump for it either.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:27 am to TeddyPadillac
I counted 8 possessions last night that BI brought the ball up and did not get into any action until 12 seconds or less. And this was a game in which it was obvious he was trying to play faster. He just plays at a very slow pace. That is the biggest reason that he takes so many late shot clock shots. Melo was the same way in his prime.
He just needs to keep making strides. It’s obvious he is trying right now. We need to keep seeing improvement over the season. 5.8 3’s per game needs to keep improving.
He just needs to keep making strides. It’s obvious he is trying right now. We need to keep seeing improvement over the season. 5.8 3’s per game needs to keep improving.
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:34 am to whatiknowsofar
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We're gonna have to revisit some contract stuff with Ingram if he's doing this for 20 plus games
It's just like ATL said, if Missi can be a quality starter, it changes all the math. We could very well extend BI and trade CJ. Hawk is becoming more and more of a CJ replacement, and CJ is old and in decline (though still a very good player this season).
Posted on 11/2/24 at 10:51 am to GOP_Tiger
My biggest BI worry and should be everyone’s is will he revert back to the BI of the last 3 years once he gets a new contract?
My money says yes
My money says yes
This post was edited on 11/2/24 at 10:58 am
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