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re: Yearly NBA trade thread, BREAKING: Mark Williams trade rescinded by Lakers
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:47 am to TechTiger
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:47 am to TechTiger
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According to the new Fanspo update, this trade doesn’t work financially… Detroit has to send out 9.6mil more.
They only have to send out around 2.5-3 million more, or two minimum contracts. That gets the salary down where they can absorb with cap space and the salary sent out
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:40 pm to Soggymoss
So if they make a smaller deal in addition to this it would work?
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:49 pm to TechTiger
quote:
So if they make a smaller deal in addition to this it would work?
No, they would just have to add a small salary to the deal to one of the teams. Kind of how we had to sign and add in Cody Zeller to make the DJM trade work sometimes you just throw in a minimum guy that’s at the end of your roster that never plays
Posted on 1/25/25 at 12:53 pm to TechTiger
quote:
So if they make a smaller deal in addition to this it would work?
This would work for all teams:
PHX: Jimmy Butler
MIA: BI/ Olynyk
DET: CJ/ Looney/ L Waters
TOR: Kevin Love/ (1) 2nd
CHI: Bradley Beal/ Andrew Wiggins/ Theis/ (1) 1st GSW/ (1) 1st PHX
GSW: Vucivic/ C Duarte/ T Craig/ DTerry
ORL: Javonte Green/ JRE
Pels: LaVine/THJ/ Isaiah Stewart/ (1) 1st PHX/ (2) 2nds DET/ (1) 2nd ORL
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 1/25/25 at 3:12 pm to Soggymoss
:vomit:
I like the picks, I hate all the money tied up in Beal and a no trade clause.
I like the picks, I hate all the money tied up in Beal and a no trade clause.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 3:15 pm to Soggymoss
quote:While I know some on here have taken that approach, I never have. So, I assume you are responding to my post in a general sense. We have to be logical about a trade. That one does not do anything for the Pels. Would be dumb to take on Beal's contract for such little return and give up BI and CJ who arguably are both better than Beal at this point in their careers.
Pelicans fans: OMG BI AND CJ SUCK arse, I WOULD TAKE A BURNT PIECE OF CHICKEN FOR THEM BOTH JUST GET THEM OFF MY frickING TEAM!!!!
Posted on 1/25/25 at 3:17 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Wow, that is a huge trade. 8 teams? Not gonna happen,
This would work for all teams:
PHX: Jimmy Butler
MIA: BI/ Olynyk
DET: CJ/ Looney/ L Waters
TOR: Kevin Love/ (1) 2nd
CHI: Bradley Beal/ Andrew Wiggins/ Theis/ (1) 1st GSW/ (1) 1st PHX
GSW: Vucivic/ C Duarte/ T Craig/ DTerry
ORL: Javonte Green/ JRE
Pels: LaVine/THJ/ Isaiah Stewart/ (1) 1st PHX/ (2) 2nds DET/ (1) 2nd ORL
Posted on 1/25/25 at 4:07 pm to NOSHAU
No it most certainly will not happen!
But I'd rather LaVine > Beal, GSW wants Vucevic, and the Bulls would get a decent return while changing things up. And the Orlando deal can be made separate technically.
We could just skip the Jimmy drama and say frick PHX.
Pels: LaVine/ I Stewart/ T Craig/ (2) 2nds DET
Bulls: BI/ A Wiggins/ Theis/ Moody
GSW: Vucevic/ THJ/ Javonte Green
DET: CJ/ Looney
Pretty much swap LaVine/ BI which would be a better fit and then get good value for CJ.
But I'd rather LaVine > Beal, GSW wants Vucevic, and the Bulls would get a decent return while changing things up. And the Orlando deal can be made separate technically.
We could just skip the Jimmy drama and say frick PHX.
Pels: LaVine/ I Stewart/ T Craig/ (2) 2nds DET
Bulls: BI/ A Wiggins/ Theis/ Moody
GSW: Vucevic/ THJ/ Javonte Green
DET: CJ/ Looney
Pretty much swap LaVine/ BI which would be a better fit and then get good value for CJ.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 1/25/25 at 6:25 pm to Dantheman504
Unless we're getting a load of picks, I want no part of bailing teams from those albatross contracts of Beal and Lavine.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 6:28 pm to htran90
Tieing up the cap in guys who are difficult to trade and aren't part of core/future makes these trade proposals pointless to me. Getting a couple of late picks aren't going to make it any more attractive either.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 6:49 pm to supe12sta12z
Agreed.
Beal is an absolute no go.
Lavine ties us up for an additional $10m or so next season over what CJ makes and has a PO for the next season while CJ’s contract would be expired.
That means we are just kicking the can down the road on the tax without necessarily improving the team and don’t necessarily have the means to dump him to create room when he inevitably starts lobbying to go home to LA, meaning we get whatever shite the Lakers have left over if we move him.
Beal is an absolute no go.
Lavine ties us up for an additional $10m or so next season over what CJ makes and has a PO for the next season while CJ’s contract would be expired.
That means we are just kicking the can down the road on the tax without necessarily improving the team and don’t necessarily have the means to dump him to create room when he inevitably starts lobbying to go home to LA, meaning we get whatever shite the Lakers have left over if we move him.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 7:05 pm to teke184
The Pels need front court players when unloading CJ and BI.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 9:20 pm to teke184
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Lavine ties us up for an additional $10m or so next season over what CJ makes and has a PO for the next season while CJ’s contract would be expired
He makes more because he's better. And he's also looking like his all star self averaging 24/5/4.
I thing y'all are devaluing the impact of getting a guy like LaVine with a fresh start and immediately pairing him with Zion/ Murray along with support players like Trey/ Herb. That could be absolutely perfect for all parties.
If we are competitive and it works out then we may be able to get him on extension just like CJ. Which again he's better and is currently 3 years younger.
LaVine puts us in contender talks next year while (2) late 1st just secures more wasted time/ slower rebuild.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:33 pm to Dantheman504
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He makes more because he's better. And he's also looking like his all star self averaging 24/5/4.
Agreed, he's looked damn good this year.
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I thing y'all are devaluing the impact of getting a guy like LaVine with a fresh start and immediately pairing him with Zion/ Murray along with support players like Trey/ Herb. That could be absolutely perfect for all parties.
The issue is 2 years and 95million is a load of money for a guy with known injury concerns too. he's had historically knee, ankle, and foot issues. when it falls off you lose a huge contributor you bank on.
You also repeat the same redundancies with the team (where does herb go for example). Is he okay with coming off the bench? is herb or trey going to be okay coming off the bench? do we trade herb?
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LaVine puts us in contender talks next year while (2) late 1st just secures more wasted time/ slower rebuild.
I dont think so, we're still woefully bad at backup 4 and honestly we could still upgrade a stretch 5 position. It does however free up the Ingram/McCollum money; but we really need to hit on Flagg or Bailey this upcoming draft if so.
PG: Murray/Alvarado
SG: Jones/Lavine/Hawkins
SF: Murphy/???
PF: Williamson/???
C: Missi/???
that's where we'd be
Posted on 1/25/25 at 10:49 pm to htran90
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I dont think so, we're still woefully bad at backup 4 and honestly we could still upgrade a stretch 5 position. It does however free up the Ingram/McCollum money; but we really need to hit on Flagg or Bailey this upcoming draft if so.
PG: Murray/Alvarado
SG: Jones/Lavine/Hawkins
SF: Murphy/???
PF: Williamson/???
C: Missi/???
that's where we'd be
You are missing Isaiah Stewart and Karlo. And we should sign Boston to a similar deal as Karlo at 1.5 mil.
The next thing i'd do some people wouldn't like tho.... I'd flip Jose and/or Hawk on draft night for picks or to get back in the draft. That's 4.5 per player that could be 3.5mil for Boston + 1 vet min. You also would get an 18mil TPE from the CJ/ Stewart trade which would get us a vet PG/ SG. 2 draft picks will cost us about 10mil. We can keep Hawk until the trade deadline and either trade him to pay a smaller tax or trade Herb to get out of the tax if it plays out that way.
Murray/ 18mil TPE/ Reeves
LaVine/ Hawk/ Boston
Trey/ Herb/ Draft
Zion/ Karlo/
Missi/ Stewart/ Vet
This would put us about 10mil above the tax with Hawk going into the season. And this puts us in the position of "contenders" to pay a measly 8-15mil tax bill unless we trade Herb to get under. Or something went terribly wrong and we trade Zion avoiding the tax.
With the 18mil TPE player and our 1st rd pick we would have a legit 9man rotation. Not including Karlo, Boston, Reeves and whatever other rookies we may get.
Not saying it will happen but it would be one of the best case scenarios IMO.
This post was edited on 1/26/25 at 1:59 am
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:27 pm to htran90
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where does herb go for example. Is he okay with coming off the bench? is herb or trey going to be okay coming off the bench? do we trade herb?
If you can effectively start Herb/ Trey/ Zion together then you do it. If they can't handle it then you start a true center and yes Herb moves to the bench. Herb is not a "need to start" player. Herb is a "need to close games" player and he can play 30min either way.
If our need for Herb shrinks or if Herb's effectiveness shrinks then at that point he could be moved.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:27 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Time and place, and this definitely ain't the right time.
Pelicans fans: OMG BI AND CJ SUCK arse, I WOULD TAKE A BURNT PIECE OF CHICKEN FOR THEM BOTH JUST GET THEM OFF MY frickING TEAM!!!!
Also Pelicans fans: OMG, ONLY LATE 1ST ROUND PICKS AND 2NDS FOR CJ AND BI!!!??? THEYRE WORTH WAY MORE THAN THAT NO WAY I’M TAKING THAT shite
That trade is beyond awful.
There's no way Beal would be dealt with just 1 pick attached, so you'd assume it starts at two 1sts. We're getting 2 1sts in that real. THJ is a negative value asset so we're basically giving BI and CJ away for nothing, or less than nothing given we'd get THJ
I can't think of a single reason that trade would make any sense.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:27 pm to Macintosh
quote:Any trade that doesn't involve Beal is basically better than that.
We aren’t getting anything better than that.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 11:28 pm to higgsBoson
quote:At the absolute minimum, we can get similar value without taking on the worst contract in the NBA..and another negative value contract to go with it.
Exactly… I don’t see why this is so bad.
This post was edited on 1/25/25 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 1/26/25 at 5:39 am to shel311
quote:
Time and place, and this definitely ain't the right time. That trade is beyond awful. There's no way Beal would be dealt with just 1 pick attached, so you'd assume it starts at two 1sts. We're getting 2 1sts in that real. THJ is a negative value asset so we're basically giving BI and CJ away for nothing, or less than nothing given we'd get THJ I can't think of a single reason that trade would make any sense.
You get two 1sts for swapping Ingram for Beal, that’s fair value IMO. I wouldn’t take the 2025 1st though, I would want the 27 and 29 1sts that Phoenix got.
THJ is not a negative as he’s an 18 million expiring deal. In that trade we also get 2nds from Detroit, but some people in comments say we should get a 1st from Detroit to balance it out, so that’s 3 1sts for Ingram and CJ.
We would also have enough time before the deadline to try to flip THJ for a deal with a extra years left on it to try to get more picks from some team that’s looking to dump salary to gain cap space in the offseason and can get it done now, or someone that just wants more shooting. Think something like THJ to Chicago for Pat Williams and pick(s), just something I can think of off the top of my head for a team that regrets giving that contract.
This post was edited on 1/26/25 at 5:50 am
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