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Would it have been possible to keep Lonzo and still have enough money for Graham?

Posted on 10/29/21 at 11:18 am
Posted by cfontenot4
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jul 2014
558 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 11:18 am
I’m just thinking that a defense-first playmaker to put in the starting lineup while having Graham’s offense to lead this struggling bench would be deadly. Would also take pressure off our rookie 2nd round draft pick. He could guard the team’s best wing or best bench player rather than all the All-NBA caliber guards

Lonzo/Graham/Kira
NAW/Hart/scrub
Ingram/Murphy/Naji
Zion/Herb/scrub
Jonas/Jaxson/Willy

Run a 10 man rotation with Kira, Naji, Willy, Trey, and Herb as your garbage time guys to promote their development. That’s a damn good team when healthy IMO
This post was edited on 10/29/21 at 11:21 am
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
17445 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 11:21 am to
Lonzo? Defense? What games were you watching last year?
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
30087 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 11:22 am to
Honestly, people can say what they want but we'd be in good shape right now with Lonzo along with Graham.

He isn't perfect, but he can shoot himself out a slump at times. Naw hasn't shown he can
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
6553 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 11:24 am to
LONZO. DIDN'T. WANT. TO BE HERE.

Whatever you see him doing in Chicago right now, you would get 50% of that for the Pelicans and it would cost you $20 million a year.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 11:27 am to
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a defense-first playmaker


They have one, his name is Herb. So far he's played good defense on Ant, KAT, and Trae. It will be very interesting to see if he can slow down Fox tonight. If he can it will be hard to argue he shouldn't remain a starter as it would seem he could shut down or slow down pretty much anyone in the league as a rookie.

This is where I think keeping Lonzo wouldn't have worked out well. If Graham was a better fit with the starters than Lonzo, and you needed Herb or Trey to start too, would Lonzo happily step aside and go to the bench? Forget all of the bad assumptions most here have about his attitude, NBA players that have been career long starters usually don't take benching well and have to go to another team to really accept that kind of demotion.
This post was edited on 10/29/21 at 11:29 am
Posted by cfontenot4
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jul 2014
558 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 11:38 am to
Well I wouldn’t call Herb much of a playmaker, but I see your point
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
10327 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 11:50 am to
Lonzo is literally back to the same stats and percentages when he was here. His 12.6 points wouldn't have made a big difference now.
Posted by cfontenot4
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jul 2014
558 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 11:51 am to
I think the difference comes in allowing Graham to lead the bench unit. They’re really struggling to score which Graham could really help with
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
10327 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 11:52 am to
The narrative where the parrots keep repeating that Graham needs to go to the bench is an absolute joke.
This post was edited on 10/29/21 at 11:57 am
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 12:02 pm to
I’d start Graham and Lonzo and let NAW come off the bench as sixth man getting 25 plus minutes a game, adjust his minutes and length of time in crunch based on play.

With Herb around to take on tougher assignments, Graham putting in effort Bled lacked last season, and BI actually giving a shite, we’d have a shockingly balanced roster and a lot of ways to attack teams.

But there are a lot of people that short sold Lonzo stock, bear squeezed NAW stock, and in the process jumped at believing any overstated negative argument people presented about Lonzo and only looked at the positive of NAW, and are too invested in those stocks to admit they were wrong.

I am far and away not a Lonzo Stan, but he would have this team with a couple more wins and our depth would not nearly be the problem it currently is because he would allow guys to fall into more natural roles on the team, not be asked to punch so far above their current weight class as NBA players.


All that said, that ship has sailed, today I’d like to try and see about bringing in Terrence Ross or even Hield(who has stepped up as a defender more recently). Follow much of what I said above
Posted by cfontenot4
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jul 2014
558 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 12:07 pm to
I like that a lot, too. I definitely think the Pels should trade for a defense-first guard. I would call the Spurs and see what the price for Dejounte Murray is
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 12:12 pm to
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Lonzo is literally back to the same stats and percentages when he was here. His 12.6 points wouldn't have made a big difference now.


Terrence Ross is averaging 13-1-1, but you know what? Put him on this team and we likely have 1-2 more wins this season.

Why? Because what a Lonzo, or a Ross, or a Hield would do is allow the team to have better synergy and depth. It would allow players like NAW to move into a sixth man role where he can cook against second units and his poor defense and high variance play isn’t hurting you as bad. Allows you to basically remove guys like Temple from the lineup, and that added bench firepower now helps pull defenders away from guys like Murphy, who could get more open looks and play along side higher gravity players.

Griff banked his off-season on one home run attempt that he struck out on, and the presumption of a level of internal growth and vet role players that would be able to step up and replace and even improve our depth and role player strength, and that by getting other players out of their way, those guys would thrive and actually make us a better team. And so far, in regards to those guys like Kira, Temple, NAW, Hayes etc. that hasn’t happened.
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
8707 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 12:32 pm to
I said a few times that once it appeared our off-season was over and the extra cap room was gonna sit, he should be targeting Heild. They wanted to get rid of him this off-season but likely wanted a first. But since we gave away two for Adams and one for Graham, Griff likely didn’t want to pay that price.
This post was edited on 10/29/21 at 12:34 pm
Posted by DaTruth225
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2015
307 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 12:54 pm to
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I’m just thinking that a defense-first playmaker to put in the starting lineup while having Graham’s offense to lead this struggling bench would be deadly


I agree, however that's not who Lonzo is. He is a streaky catch and shoot shooter that can create in the open court. His defense is highly overrated and his playmaking in halfcourt sets is below average for a point guard.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9758 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 2:11 pm to
Supposedly, the Bulls are looking to move White. They want/need Bagley. But the Kings don't want or need White. Could there be a chance for us to swoop in and grab White in a 3 way deal. We could move Hart to the Kings maybe (?).

I love Whites talent. He could bump out either Sato or Temple as the 4th guard. Maybe a change of scenery sparks something..
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11494 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 2:35 pm to
I think we would have done fine to keep Lonzo but I don't know who that would have cost us.

Herb is fine on the #1 scorer, he is shutting down all stars.
Posted by RUFshreve
Shree'pote
Member since Jul 2016
2676 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 3:26 pm to
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LONZO. DIDN'T. WANT. TO BE HERE.

Whatever you see him doing in Chicago right now, you would get 50% of that for the Pelicans and it would cost you $20 million a year


None of the players looked like they wanted to be here last year. Can you blame them? They were playing for that fat slob SVG. You don't think he would get a more motivated Lonzo with Willie as HC? Because I do.

And the Lonzo we're seeing in Chicago right now, is absolutely worth what the $20 million most here didn't want to give him. He's outplaying every guard we have on our roster. He is doing exactly what he wanted to do, which is be a true play-making point, that plays good defense and stretches the floor. Which ironically, is exactly what we need.
Posted by RUFshreve
Shree'pote
Member since Jul 2016
2676 posts
Posted on 10/29/21 at 3:29 pm to
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I agree, however that's not who Lonzo is. He is a streaky catch and shoot shooter that can create in the open court. His defense is highly overrated and his playmaking in halfcourt sets is below average for a point guard.


I can tell you haven't watched one minute of the Bulls this year.
Posted by nicj4
Guadeloupe
Member since Jan 2020
719 posts
Posted on 10/30/21 at 1:26 am to
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And the Lonzo we're seeing in Chicago right now, is absolutely worth what the $20 million most here didn't want to give him. He's outplaying every guard we have on our roster. He is doing exactly what he wanted to do, which is be a true play-making point, that plays good defense and stretches the floor. Which ironically, is exactly what we need.


I'm starting to think Pels coaches really badly use the players.

It's not normal for a player to improve after leaving a team ... Lonzo seems to be better at Bulls. Even Adams looks to be better at Grizzlies.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
6223 posts
Posted on 10/30/21 at 4:27 am to
I think it’s possible Adams looks better this year because A) he always looks better early in the year and B) he was embarrassed by how shitty he was last year and he actually trained this offseason.

Adams never thought he had to evolve his game because he was basically paid 4yr 100 mil out of the gate for being a screening rebounder that played hard. Problem is as his body wore down, he had little skill to fall back on. For the first time in 7 years, he actually did skill work in the offseason because he was 1 more terrible year from being out of the NBA.
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